Turbo 24V GTI Vs Turbo R32

[jasmos]

Turbo 24V GTI Vs Turbo R32

http://www.c3cars.com/pages/videoRel...=1&V=13143.wmv

[krn.racer]

Sorry but I have no idea who won....

[DR.GONZO]

yea it is hard to tell, both hella fast cars though!

[JAVW]

it's HPA Motorsport R32 TT with 500HP (409WHP at the 4 wheels) against EIP Tuning R32 Turbo (600WHP at the front wheels Not at the 4 wheels)

[Gir89]

I love that HPA R32

[1979-300d]

Originally Posted by JAVW

it's HPA Motorsport R32 TT with 500HP (409WHP at the 4 wheels) against EIP Tuning R32 Turbo (600WHP at the front wheels Not at the 4 wheels)

"whp" meens wheel horse power (at the wheels) dip shit

and a r32 is all time all wheel drive

[Noxis]

You Can Turn Off the AWD

[Verrückt]

Originally Posted by 1979-300d

"whp" meens wheel horse power (at the wheels) dip shit

and a r32 is all time all wheel drive

Hook up a laptop and you can change the torque distribution of the Haldex AWD system "dip shit".

[70chevelless]

If anyone doesn't know what a torque distributer does it basically lets you controll where most of the torque of an AWD car puts it to the wheels. It distributes between front and back like 30/70 or 50/50 which is standard.

[1979-300d]

the 4-motion system is the same thing as the quatro system and no it is not selective awd it detects wheel slip and reverts power automaticly...

even if i was selective, nobody would transfer power to the front wheels for a drag race unless they were ****ing around or just flat stupid...

and if somebody used that as an excuss as to why they lost it would make them look like a bigger dumn ass for selecting fwd even though its not possible without a laptop or whatever

[Verrückt]

Originally Posted by 1979-300d

the 4-motion system is the same thing as the quatro system and no it is not selective awd it detects wheel slip and reverts power automaticly...

even if i was selective, nobody would transfer power to the front wheels for a drag race unless they were ****ing around or just flat stupid...

and if somebody used that as an excuss as to why they lost it would make them look like a bigger dumn ass for selecting fwd even though its not possible without a laptop or whatever

Wrong again.

On transverse engine VW/Audi cars (this means Golf/R32/Audi TT, Audi A3), the car uses a computer controlled Haldex AWD system. This system under static conditions sends 95% or so of the power to the front wheels and will direct more torque to the rear as needed. It's completely computer controlled so you can change the torque bias electronically or disable it altogether. Disabling the Haldex system makes the car completely FWD.

Info on Haldex.

It's possible to change the torque bias with a laptop (I've seen it done).

The easiest way is just to pull the plug to the AWD ECU.

Haldex Clutch System:


Actual design:




Nominal Torque Transfer:


Activation:
Due to the design with piston pumps, the reaction at start is instant. The diagram shows a max. acceleration from still stand -after 150 ms the slip on the driving wheels is completely stopped.





Now this AWD system is ok, but inferior in my opinion to the fully mechanical drivetrain employed on the real quattro cars.

On VW/Audi cars with longitudinal engines (VW Passat, Audi A4, S4, A6, S6, RS6, A8, S8, etc), a fully mechanical TORSEN center differential is used. Under static conditions, it provides a 50-50 torque split. Stock biasing ability is approximately 3:1 meaning it can send 3 times the torque to either the front or rear axle if necessary. The beauty of the TORSEN is that it automatically diverts the torque to the axle with the most grip. More info on the TORSEN here.

With the real quattro (TORSEN) system, it is always AWD and it's impossible to disable for dynoing.

In summary, saying 4-motion is the same as quattro is completely false. The HALDEX system is called 4-motion on the Golfs and R32. It's called quattro on the Audi TT and Audi A3. The completely different TORSEN system is called 4-motion in the Passat and quattro in the rest of the Audis.

In almost all cases, the TORSEN is better than the HALDEX.

[1979-300d]

**** you all, im going home, you cant change my mind... lol

im jokeing...

i guess i was wrong sorry for the mis information... i was confused because the passat 4 motion is the same as the quattro...

lets talk about something we can all agree on...

[1979-300d]

wow these cars are fast

[Verrückt]

Originally Posted by 1979-300d

**** you all, im going home, you cant change my mind... lol

im jokeing...

i guess i was wrong sorry for the mis information... i was confused because the passat 4 motion is the same as the quattro...

lets talk about something we can all agree on...

It's cool man. No worries.

It IS confusing. Most people think the TT and the A4/S4/A6 etc have the same AWD system because it's called "quattro". They don't. Most people think the R32 and Passat have the same AWD system because they are both called 4-motion. They don't.

The late 1990 VW Quantums had a system called "syncro" which was the same as quattro as well.

[1979-300d]

i dont know if its the same system but the vanagon also has a syncro system
i thought it was the same but it very well may not be