Nos-to fuel Mixture

[Big-Willy]

So as I said on my other thread I'm an autobody student and not realy a mechanic so if anyone knows about what I'll be asking thx in advance:

So I was wondering if it would actualy be cheaper if you run say dry nos into your air fuel mixture (as I believe it works, dunno) and run less gasoline for a cheaper gas milage, I'll be driveing ALOT of of highway driving and its more of knowing what would be cheap to go fast in a short amount of time. I'll be getting a R32 Skyline GT-R in the near future so as you allready proly know its FAST. Now I want to know how i can make this 6 cylinder run fast while useing the same amount of gas as a 4. I know that going fast obviously uses more gas but I'll only be going fast and useing more gas at say red lights. I'm not much of a racer though I'm realy, realy good and its wicked fun but that doesnt mean that I should get my Skyline impounded.

I'm willing to get or customize the ECU, bring down the boost pressure, and also bring down the fuel levels, but also raise a nos mixture to a safe level. Now I live in Winnipeg (Winterpeg) so my engine would be able to take a certain but not devestating amount of heat beacause its colder here.

Anyone able to help me out with my thoughts and clarefy and or even tell me of resources of where I can get these things thanks.

[nickaliss]

I'd be worried about burning up the engine without pushing more fuel to compensate for the oxygen added by the spray.

[Big-Willy]

Originally Posted by nickaliss

I'd be worried about burning up the engine without pushing more fuel to compensate for the oxygen added by the spray.

Thx but thats what I wanted to know if I would be able to eleminate the heat of the engine without actualy blowing the thing up. Now I'm talking minimum amount of 'dry' spray but also be able to make the dry spray act as if it was normal gas with less gas and a small amount of nos...It would be a good question to ask what the burn rate of nos is compared to fuel...if that made sence.

[Turbo AWD]

Originally Posted by Big-Willy

I want to know how i can make this 6 cylinder run fast while useing the same amount of gas as a 4.

The number of cylinders has little to do with gas mileage. Engine displacement is what inherently dictates fuel usage.

Engine displacement is the total volume of air/fuel mixture an engine can draw in during one complete engine cycle.

Displacement equals the volume of combustible air/fuel mixture ingested during one cycle of all the cylinders at 100% Volumetric efficiency.

Engine power is dependent on the quantity of air/fuel mixture ingested and the efficiency of its combustion and conversion into power.

[Big-Willy]

Originally Posted by Turbo AWD

The number of cylinders has little to do with gas mileage. Engine displacement is what inherently dictates fuel usage.

Engine displacement is the total volume of air/fuel mixture an engine can draw in during one complete engine cycle.

Displacement equals the volume of combustible air/fuel mixture ingested during one cycle of all the cylinders at 100% Volumetric efficiency.

Engine power is dependent on the quantity of air/fuel mixture ingested and the efficiency of its combustion and conversion into power.

Awsome thanks alot thats how I need stuff explained...ok so now that I know that its more the 'size' of the cylinders than the amount. Now if you know about the fuel to air mixeture amounts and that would you be able to help out with my idea of useing a certain amount of nos to replace fuel and oxygen levels to burn and fire of the cylinders at the same rate as useing your normal fuel to air mixture...hope that made sence thanks again

[Turbo AWD]

Since the SKYLINE is turbocharged, it will be quite challenging to figure out the correct nitrou ratio. Since the mixture quantity (volume) is delivered at a higher pressure the ratio will vary. Sorry that i can't be much help on this topic, as my knowledge of nitrous oxide is very limited.

[Big-Willy]

Thats ok thanks your input was still need...not to mention it IS a GTR which I believe is a TT so I gues it'll be even harder...but I do want to bring down the psi of the turbo/s to a low enough level where it also is'nt taking in to much gas also, if you are able help me out by finding some more people to get in on this as I think this could lead to a better fuel effiency to anyone willing to put in the time of finding out there vehicles limits.

[r34drifter]

Originally Posted by Turbo AWD

The number of cylinders has little to do with gas mileage. Engine displacement is what inherently dictates fuel usage.

Engine displacement is the total volume of air/fuel mixture an engine can draw in during one complete engine cycle.

Displacement equals the volume of combustible air/fuel mixture ingested during one cycle of all the cylinders at 100% Volumetric efficiency.

Engine power is dependent on the quantity of air/fuel mixture ingested and the efficiency of its combustion and conversion into power.

wow u deilghted me with ur knowlege, u are a human Wikipedia *cough* plagiarizer *cough*, wouldn't it'd been easier giving him the link?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engine_displacement

[Big-Willy]

Originally Posted by r34drifter

wow u deilghted me with ur knowlege, u are a human Wikipedia *cough* plagiarizer, wouldn't it'd been easier giving him the link?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engine_displacement

LMFAO the ****in guy man...I bet you he goes there and answers everyone by copy and pasteing the shit...lol thanks by the way but...well i still need to know about how I can do this stuff

[fueledpassion]

You need water-methanol injection. NOS is very volatile. Be careful.

[Turbo AWD]

Originally Posted by r34drifter

wow u deilghted me with ur knowlege, u are a human Wikipedia *cough* plagiarizer *cough*, wouldn't it'd been easier giving him the link?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engine_displacement

I've listed the common terms for the sake of simplicity.

If you must know where it stemmed from> http://www.am-car.com/index.php?page=goodtoknow (Happy reading/learning)

"word for word" Please read carefully the link provided and, (wikipedia) link for that matter.

BTW don't even bother looking for what i've wrote in the first paragraph of my original post.

Next time instead of making personal attacks, Please comment on the subject at hand.

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Big-Willy, you say that you want to conserve fuel. Yet your substituting one form of fuel for another. So which is it?

Nitrous oxide isn't cheap, nor is it widely available as pump gas. So where is the logic?

If you can't afford gasoline, how will you afford a skyline?

Enough said.

[Big-Willy]

Originally Posted by fueledpassion

You need water-methanol injection. NOS is very volatile. Be careful.

So then I take it that the fuel is mixed with water and made to burn less...if at all...instead of useing NOS?...then by what I think i know there would be less of a burn rate of the original fuel to nos to air mixture...I'm not realy following sorry but I DO understand that NOS burns way, WAY more than normal fuel (gasoline) and that you have to get a better cooling method...and I gues in turn I'll have to ask what type of cooling method would I be able to use?

[Big-Willy]

lol sorry man it was'nt a direct attack on yourself personaly just the facts that was before me...and as for the not being able to even aford a Skyline I gues I can't aford the GTR but the GTS4 is more of my price range and availability of getting it is also better. Thanks for the knowledge and I'll be looking forward to finding out how I would be able to get a good mixture of NOS to last threw a couple will ups of a gas tank...it wasnt all just the gas...it was me wanting to be able to make a full tank of gas last longer by useing dry NOS as a suplement for the difference in burning times of both cumbustable fluids. So its prity tecky...I would need to know the volume of the cylinders, how much air to NOS to fuel mixture there is and what types of cooling stuff I need to keep the block from blowing or melting....

[/NDA]

water expand at a rate of 1200% plus it takes some heat away in the process

[Big-Willy]

Originally Posted by /NDA

water expand at a rate of 1200% plus it takes some heat away in the process

Some but very little...it'll turn to super heated steam temperatures and then still leave condensation in the cylinders and may even prevent egnition of iether the spark plug or the entire cylinder itself...but thanks for the info