Summit Brand Headers

[robz95xj]

price looks good, anyine have experience with there stuff, truck may need a set in the future

http://store.summitracing.com/partde...5&autoview=sku

[v_dub_ya]

I've been pricing headers as well for my '77 Chevy, and was wondering the same thing you are Rob, are Summit headers any good? They are comparable by all the details, but they are a good bit cheaper than the 'name brand' headers. But, i havent found anyone that has a set of their headers installed on anything

[bmxer99]

they seem good.

[Memphis]

heres a bronco with some summit shorties on it and below that is a link to a thread discussing summit shorties

is it just me or do summit racing shorty headers suck? - FSB Forums

[Memphis]

And heres one on a chevy site I got to
Flowtech Shortys vs. Summit Shorties - FSC Forum

[EH!]

i have a pair of flowtech longs and they have a nice clearence but there already flaking and showing some rust...sounds nice and give good flow

[bmxer99]

ceramic coated?? or just the powder coated ones

[robz95xj]

i have conections to get them ceramic coted if i want, but black paint will be fine, its a truck not a racecar

[01mmmz28]

they will work Rob, just get them and buy a roll of header wrap and be done w/ it.

[BOTLFEDLT1]

Originally Posted by 01mmmz28

they will work Rob, just get them and buy a roll of header wrap and be done w/ it.

doesnt header wrap accelerate corrosion?

[01mmmz28]

^ since when? It is made to absorb heat and prevent moisture. Not that I have ever seen. We took a set of headers off of a 1972 camaro once and undid the header wrap and the damn things looked brand new underneath, the only parts w/ corrosion was the flanges that had no wrap on them.

[BOTLFEDLT1]

Originally Posted by 01mmmz28

^ since when? It is made to absorb heat and prevent moisture. Not that I have ever seen. We took a set of headers off of a 1972 camaro once and undid the header wrap and the damn things looked brand new underneath, the only parts w/ corrosion was the flanges that had no wrap on them.

My understanding is that the wraps retain moisture against the header, accelerating rust. I have never read that header wraps prevent moisture. While Im not going to question your specific experience on the matter, I have to ask: Was this camaro street driven, and if so, driven in the rain?

Do a search on the topic (i.e. search terms "header wrap rust") on google and its almost universally accepted that header wrap is only recommended for race cars to get that extra bit of hp but a no-no for street cars b/c of shortened lifespan from rust and the possibility of fire if you have an oil leak.

Most header makers will void your warranty if you use a wrap:

DC sports:
Q: I race on the weekends. Can I use header wrap to keep underhood temps down?
A: The use of header wrap will void the manufacturer warranty on your DC Sports header because it does not allow the header to normalize and can soften the welds. Although header wrap is used with success on racing engines, most teams account for the deterioration it will cause to the header, and in most cases warranty is not a concern for racing teams. On street cars or vehicles that are street driven and see occasional track duty, we do not recommend its use."

Pacesetter:
Pace Setter Performance Products are warranted to be free from defects in material and workmanship. Short throw shifters carry a lifetime warranty; headers and cat-back exhaust systems are warranted for three years; and catalytic converters are warranted for five years or 50,000 miles, whichever comes first. The warranty is void for the following reasons: Product shows evidence of mishandling, mutilation, burn-out, or blow-out resulting from improper tuning, and visual rust or rust-through as the result of an external wrap

[01mmmz28]

The car in question was a 1972 camaro, headers installed in 1989, taken off in 2007. So, 18 yrs of being wrapped up on the headers and no rust is good to go by me. The was hardly ever driven in the rain, basically a weekend cruiser, but C'mon....18 yrs and no rust......that's gotta be a record or something. LOL

[BOTLFEDLT1]

Originally Posted by 01mmmz28

The car in question was a 1972 camaro, headers installed in 1989, taken off in 2007. So, 18 yrs of being wrapped up on the headers and no rust is good to go by me. The was hardly ever driven in the rain, basically a weekend cruiser, but C'mon....18 yrs and no rust......that's gotta be a record or something. LOL

18 years no rust is pretty darned good for (im presuming) non-stainless headers. hehe. I guess the big factor is whether the car will see moisture, either through rain or from high humidity.

[robz95xj]

im not worried about the header wrap, i mean its a basicly stock F150, stot a street machine, but it is gettin the 2nd cat(yes the truck has 2 cats) removed and 3" pipe replacing it and a dynomax 2 chamber thrush muffler should sound beastly and the 5.o should breath a lil easyer