Is nsx a real super car?

[68 Vette]

Ok i am going to continue the despute with Christian on here to stop the thread from being hijacked further...(and for those of you who dont clue what is going on i am going to post that on this too.)

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Originally Posted by 68 Vette

I dont gte why ppl think NSX's are so nice. 100k for a mid engine 6. Get an EVO, or a STI and put the other 70k into it. that is a sweet car.

[68 Vette]

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Originally Posted by CRISTIAN

you can say that about any other car, like a noble m12 is a lot cheaper than a 360 modena and it would own it in any race, I can think of hundreds of examples like this. its not just about the speed, its about what appeals to the person buyin it.
NSX is a proper sports car, it is light, handles amazingly well, and its engine has a lot of technology. If tuned for pure performance it would be more a lot more powerfull, but it has to be subtle and smooth because it is Honda's flagship car.

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Originally Posted by 68 Vette

So it handles amazingly cauyse you drove one right? Just cause some guy in a show says its good doesnt mean it is. Last year Honda only sold 8, yes 8 NSX's. Real sports car huh. If it was any good dont you think some more people would buy them. For the price you are getting ripped off. You can get a second hand 355 for a few bucks more. Its engine USED to have lots of technology, V-TEC is old now, almost every honda and Acura has a V-TEC in its equipment packages (for f*cks sakes, my '98 Civic has V-Tec in it, real impressing that a "supercar" shares the same technology with a POS low end beater car), and practically evry car manufacturer has a form of variable cam technology. It is light, but it still has a 6 cylinder. Also no "proper sports car" comes in an automatic version. That is for the little *****es that dont know how to drive a stick and think that they are getting a sports car. (dont bring up the SLR Mclaren cause thgat is a touring car, not a sports car.) And when you buy a sports car, you dont look for subtle and smooth, you look for raw performance. It is that thought that makes an NSX a garbage car, as I said befor IT HAS AN AUTOMATIC VERSION!

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Originally Posted by CRISTIAN

Damn Vette, so much, ignorance, stupidty and anger in one post?

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Originally Posted by 68 Vette
So it handles amazingly cauyse you drove one right? Just cause some guy in a show says its good doesnt mean it is. Last year Honda only sold 8, yes 8 NSX's.


So it isn't good enough that every proffesional automotive journalists that reviews it praises its handling capabilities? You have to drive a car yourself to say it handles good?

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Originally Posted by 68 Vette
If it was any good dont you think some more people would buy them.


Since when are sales numbers an accurate representation of something being "good"? I can think of hundreds great things that didn't sell worth a damn and vice versa. Take a V6 mustang for example.

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Originally Posted by 68 Vette
For the price you are getting ripped off. You can get a second hand 355 for a few bucks more.


Yes and you would be getting a used car that wouldn't be faster around a track.

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Originally Posted by 68 Vette
Its engine USED to have lots of technology, V-TEC is old now, almost every honda and Acura has a V-TEC in its equipment packages (for f*cks sakes, my '98 Civic has V-Tec in it, real impressing that a "supercar" shares the same technology with a POS low end beater car), and practically evry car manufacturer has a form of variable cam technology.


Only God knows what made you think I was talking about the simple, crappy VTEC found in your POS car, I was thinking more along the lines of Titanium connecting rods, direct ignition with a coil mounted at the top of each spark plug, a very high tech Variable Volume Induction System, PGM-FI fuel injection system with an array of sensors that detect everything from ambient air pressure to exhaust gas oxygen content, the list goes on and on . You know, things that belong on a modern sports car and make a naturally aspirated engine reach 90hp/lt.

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Originally Posted by 68 Vette
Also no "proper sports car" comes in an automatic version. That is for the little *****es that dont know how to drive a stick and think that they are getting a sports car. (dont bring up the SLR Mclaren cause thgat is a touring car, not a sports car.)


So the Corvette, Ferrari 456, Porcshe 911, 350z etc. etc. etc. aren't sports cars? First time I have heard that. It would be entartaining to hear you classify these cars, so please do so.

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Originally Posted by 68 Vette
And when you buy a sports car, you dont look for subtle and smooth, you look for raw performance.


some people look for both in the same car, this cars are usually expensier like the NSX

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Originally Posted by 68 Vette
IT HAS AN AUTOMATIC VERSION!


Which you need to special order.

BTW: the NSX engine has a lot more technology than the S2000 which makes 213.4hp/lt, which proves my point that the NSX would be more powerful if tuned for "raw performance" as you call it.

and the most recent

Originally Posted by 68 Vette

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Originally Posted by CRISTIAN
Damn Vette, so much, ignorance, stupidty and anger in one post?


No no stupidity nor ignorance, you just are very ignorant to think that a NSX is a proper sports car and wtf is a proper sports car any way? Just cause a car is MR and may handle well doesnt mean that it is a proper sports car. So I guess that MR2's are proper sports cars to your standards, as well as Pontiac Fieros


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Originally Posted by CRISTIAN
So it isn't good enough that every proffesional automotive journalists that reviews it praises its handling capabilities? You have to drive a car yourself to say it handles good?


Yes, every one has there own oppinions. I dont see them posting here to defend it. So since you havent driven one, you can not say anything about its handling, or how well it performs, you can only qoute automotive magazines numbers, and there writing, nothing more.



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Originally Posted by CRISTIAN
Since when are sales numbers an accurate representation of something being "good"? I can think of hundreds great things that didn't sell worth a damn and vice versa. Take a V6 mustang for example.


V6 mustangs were crap as well. And trust me, ford sold more then 8 of them a year. Any person who wanted areal car got a V8. People bought 6 cylinders who didnt want to use too much gas, or people couldnt afford the 8 cylinder version. I dont see people lining up to buy the NSX's like they did with the Ford GT, 360 modena, F355. Gallardo, Maranello, hmmm is it just a coincidence that these cars performed extremely well, and they couldnt keep them on the showroom floor. I dont think so. As for cheap sports cars, there is a waiting list for Elise's now, and Nobles are also selling pretty well.



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Originally Posted by CRISTIAN
Yes and you would be getting a used car that wouldn't be faster around a track.



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Originally Posted by CRISTIAN
but it has to be subtle and smooth because it is Honda's flagship car.

So i guess what you said before no longer applies. The F355 was once Ferraris flag ship car. Also you dont get the love and compasion that was engineered into the Ferraris, unlike the Acuras which were mass made. Ferraris also have a nostalgia, and rarity of a Ferrari that makes it O so special. It is an Acura, i see a hundred Acuras a day, and how many Ferraris do you see a day, probably none. Plus it is a brand that mass produces cars, instead of putting the time and honor that Ferrari puts into its cars.

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Originally Posted by CRISTIAN
Only God knows what made you think I was talking about the simple, crappy VTEC found in your POS car, I was thinking more along the lines of Titanium connecting rods, direct ignition with a coil mounted at the top of each spark plug, a very high tech Variable Volume Induction System, PGM-FI fuel injection system with an array of sensors that detect everything from ambient air pressure to exhaust gas oxygen content, the list goes on and on . You know, things that belong on a modern sports car and make a naturally aspirated engine reach 90hp/lt.


Titanium connecting rods are found in most of the high end sports cars that the NSX was made to compete with. The direct ignition feature is pretty old, I will admit i have no clue what VVIS is. But that high tech fuel injection system is also found on an array of high performance sports as well, sensors are on every single car made today, and it has been since the early 90's. And the S2K gets about 110 HP to the liter and costs alot less.

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Originally Posted by CRISTIAN
So the Corvette, Ferrari 456, Porcshe 911, 350z etc. etc. etc. aren't sports cars? First time I have heard that. It would be entartaining to hear you classify these cars, so please do so.


I truely would hate to burst your bubble, but a 350z is not and never will be a sports car. Corvettes have lost there way since the 80's, now they are emissions friendly, and not as geared on performance as they used to be. The only vettes geared on high perforamnce were the Z06, and the ZR1. (I own a Vette and trust me, I do research on them constantly and I know what I am talking about with them.) And porsche lost there way as well, and the base 911 is no longer a true to heart sports car either. The 911 GT3, Turbo, etc. The NSX has a 4 speed (WOW we are living in the 80's still) automatic as the tiptronic porsche still has a 5 spd.


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Originally Posted by CRISTIAN
some people look for both in the same car, this cars are usually expensier like the NSX


First i want to know WTF expensier is. It is not in a normal dictionary, decipher that and i will refute that feeble argument as well.


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Originally Posted by CRISTIAN
Which you need to special order.


It is still an automatic. It doesnt matter if you have to special order it or not. It is still an automatic, with 4 speeds none the less.

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Originally Posted by CRISTIAN
BTW: the NSX engine has a lot more technology than the S2000 which makes 213.4hp/lt, which proves my point that the NSX would be more powerful if tuned for "raw performance" as you call it.


I dont know where you got this one out of my original post, but while its here. The new NSX is really tuned out to the max stock, that means that making raw horsepower is alot harder then with another engine.

[new_formula_S2K]

i totally agree with #2 its a proper sports car. BUT- it can be a little overratted sometimes. If the NSX was say, 40 grand it would be MUCH more popular. And the NSX is more like 78 grand new. But for that money i could be something better that is why the car must appeal to the person.

[bella_03gt]

i can see this turning into a fight already

[68 Vette]

Originally Posted by new_formula_S2K

i totally agree with #2 its a proper sports car. BUT- it can be a little overratted sometimes. If the NSX was say, 40 grand it would be MUCH more popular. And the NSX is more like 78 grand new. But for that money i could be something better that is why the car must appeal to the person.

No, its 90 grand now, and yeah if it was alot cheaper it would be a magnificient car, but it is way too much for what you get.

[new_formula_S2K]

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Originally Posted by 68 Vette
Its engine USED to have lots of technology, V-TEC is old now, almost every honda and Acura has a V-TEC in its equipment packages (for f*cks sakes, my '98 Civic has V-Tec in it, real impressing that a "supercar" shares the same technology with a POS low end beater car), and practically evry car manufacturer has a form of variable cam technology.
[/QOUTE]

If a Ford GT40 had a VTEC engine that still made the same power would you be talking shit about it?

The reuse it because its got: great gas mileage, decent power, great realibilty, and it makes an easy pass at emissions (by meaning that it its exhaust fumes do not pollute as much as the average car w/o vtec.)

[68 Vette]

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Originally Posted by CRISTIAN

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Originally Posted by 68 Vette
Its engine USED to have lots of technology, V-TEC is old now, almost every honda and Acura has a V-TEC in its equipment packages (for f*cks sakes, my '98 Civic has V-Tec in it, real impressing that a "supercar" shares the same technology with a POS low end beater car), and practically evry car manufacturer has a form of variable cam technology.
[/QOUTE]

If a Ford GT40 had a VTEC engine that still made the same power would you be talking shit about it?

no, because it still is worth the value of the car, it is reasonably priced for what it can do. I am not hatting on V-TEC's, i would love to get a hand on a new S2000.

[new_formula_S2K]

man this is an endless debate.

MONEY DOESNT MATTER! its all personal preference, People that buy an NSX love the car they dont want a sports car they want an NSX. If you wanted a ferrari you would buy one.

[91HondaAccord]

No-its not worth the money, you could buy and tune the hell out of a c6 corvette for the same money you would dish out for the meager amount of horsepower and performance you would get out of a nsx. So in short, it is not a supercar!

[68 Vette]

Originally Posted by new_formula_S2K

man this is an endless debate.

MONEY DOESNT MATTER! its all personal preference, People that buy an NSX love the car they dont want a sports car they want an NSX. If you wanted a ferrari you would buy one.

Yeah, but the original post was that the NSX was a waste of money for most people due to there performance.

[91HondaAccord]

ya it was too much reading, so i decided to be lazy and not even read it at all.

[bella_03gt]

ok i really dont see the point in this thread, it isnt going to accomplish anything but who likes it and who doesnt and really tho...who cares. you can throw all these specs up here and say u could do this and make it faster for less money, but if you like the car then you like it. you can take any 2 cars and compare them and we could have a million threads going. just agree to disagree and let it be done.

[68 Vette]

the point of this was to stop hijacking the other thread cause i know christian will want to say something to refute what i said. No one really has to post on here if they dont want to read the whole thing either. It is just a simple way to see each other oppinions on the car.

[91HondaAccord]

well then what is the point if you dont piss someone off? Isnt that the american way?

[68 Vette]

Originally Posted by 91HondaAccord

well then what is the point if you dont piss someone off? Isnt that the american way?

I would love to post a reply to that, but some people would cry that i am being a nationalist person to the MODs, and I would get banned.