gt-r battle

[mehrshad]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...09522704209842

[Boost3dSkyline]

i freckin love this vid

[mehrshad]

yea it i sick ,but the track is downholl.:mecry:

[GTRJack]

let me tell you all.. These GTRs are NO drag cars. They are all fully road legal street cars with lisence plate, incurance and running on bump gass with STREET LEGAL TIRES. (Look carefully on the video, NO DRAG SLICK but does in the avarage of 9 second range)

These street cars runs in the 9th, NOT only that but they also does the top end of 0 - 190 mph (0 - 300 kmh) in avarage time under 18 seconds. If the Skyline GTR isn't a "street king" capable of doing all that as street legal cars on street tires then I don't know what the fock is.

GTR Skylines had to be putted to it's own class for street legal car competition (only street legal tires allowed) coz it was too superior to all others (RX7, Supra, EVOs etc.)

Originally Posted by mehrshad

yea it i sick ,but the track is downholl.:mecry:

I've red about that drag strip in Japan. The impression is actually wrong. The downhill doesn't start right after the (E.T. time) - THE END finnish line. They made the downhill after the finnish line because it's high uphill afterwords to make the braking shorter on the uphill.

Sorry also to say this video is a repost

[mehrshad]

Originally Posted by GTRJack

let me tell you all.. These GTRs are NO drag cars. They are all fully road legal street cars with lisence plate, incurance and running on bump gass with STREET LEGAL TIRES. (Look carefully on the video, NO DRAG SLICK but does in the avarage of 9 second range)

These street cars runs in the 9th, NOT only that but they also does the top end of 0 - 190 mph (0 - 300 kmh) in avarage time under 18 seconds. If the Skyline GTR isn't a "street king" capable of doing all that as street legal cars on street tires then I don't know what the fock is.

GTR Skylines had to be putted to it's own class for street legal car competition (only street legal tires allowed) coz it was too superior to all others (RX7, Supra, EVOs etc.)



I've red about that drag strip in Japan. The impression is actually wrong. The downhill doesn't start right after the (E.T. time) - THE END finnish line. They made the downhill after the finnish line because it's high uphill afterwords to make the braking shorter on the uphill.

Sorry also to say this video is a repost

firt how do you know they are on pump gas?some places have high octain pump gas on gas stations like 100+ octain.it dosen't look like all of them are on street tires eather. secend it is downhill it's the same track as this.http://videos.streetfire.net/search/...436E51E335.htm

[GTRJack]

^^ hmm I've red about the competition some place. There're splitted in two classes, non bump gass and the other with for street legal cars on street tires. For example, 1. 100% street legal with 100% street tires, 2. on street legal drag radiel (both with and non bump gass) and 3. "open class"

Secondly these cars runs on street legal tires believe it or not. Look carefully, do you see any of these drag slicks on the Skylines?



I have a video of the competition where they went through the regulation that they said "ONLY STREET LEGAL CARS WITH STREET LEGAL TIRES CAN ENTER THE COMPETITION", nough said.

[UKunt]

sweet vid.

japan runs alot higher octain then over here in the UK.we have 97 as pump gas and its still not good for import jap cars.i think there on 102 over there.thats why they need mappign to 97 octain over here.

[mehrshad]

Originally Posted by GTRJack

^^ hmm I've red about the competition some place. There're splitted in two classes, non bump gass and the other with for street legal cars on street tires. For example, 1. 100% street legal with 100% street tires, 2. on street legal drag radiel (both with and non bump gass) and 3. "open class"

Secondly these cars runs on street legal tires believe it or not. Look carefully, do you see any of these drag slicks on the Skylines?



I have a video of the competition where they went through the regulation that they said "ONLY STREET LEGAL CARS WITH STREET LEGAL TIRES CAN ENTER THE COMPETITION", nough said.

have you seen any other drag tire?i have seen slicks tires smaller than that with the size of 275 40 17.the drag tires don't have to have long sides.and to make big power out of pump gas you need big turbos and big engine.well those gtr's don't have big engines. and if you don't know why people use race gas it's because they can't boost alot. you will see big knock and when you have knock you will melt down your engine insid out.

[UKunt]

there are alot of fast AWD car street legal and getting 9s. a scooby at ten of the best here got a 9.5@169mph. and thats a 4 banger :O with that speed it should be in the 8s.pity it blew something on that day or it would of.

[GTRJack]

Originally Posted by mehrshad

have you seen any other drag tire?i have seen slicks tires smaller than that with the size of 275 40 17.

How on earth should I put into words for you to understand me, don't you trust me? Let me tell you again, I've have other part of the same video where they showed (short breefing) of that Auto Signal R34 GTR which did flat 9 seconds on this video. They was "filming the tires" for your 2 eyes to see and said it was on full street legal tires. YES I have seen other slick tires smaller then the size of 275/40/17 (for example from the AMS EVO) BUT in this video NON OF THE SKYLINES WERE USING SLICKS. IF you have seen the part 1 video they clearly explain that ONLY STREET LEGAL CARS WITH LEGAL STREET TIRES "CAN ENTER THE COMPETITION". Which part here is it you don't understand?

Originally Posted by mehrshad

well those gtr's don't have big engines.

I don't know what's your definition for big or small engines but I would guess anything bigger then 6 cylinder and displacement abow 4 ltr is big for you. Well I also hope you know how incredibly strong the RB (or the JZ) engine is and how sick arss amount of boost and RPM it can handle compared to biger power more cylinder pushrods. Did you know the 2.6 ltr. RB engine can handle up to 15 000+ RPM and exceed the boosts of over 50+ PSI? Basically the GTR is a road/street car, not a drag car and with the engine capable of pushing this much ltr. per horsepower from such an RPM/PSI range (= equals to smoother wider power band) I don't see bigger engine is neccessary for use on the street if you run on street tires (you'd need performance AWD cars for traction to Jack arss of all trade where ever you go). Big torque V8 explosive power cars with slicks belongs to a drag strip for acceleration test, not on a performance street car or on the road course.

Originally Posted by mehrshad

and to make big power out of pump gas you need big turbos and big engine.

WOW This R32 GTR has such a small turbo

[thedguy]

Originally Posted by mehrshad

firt how do you know they are on pump gas?some places have high octain pump gas on gas stations like 100+ octain.it dosen't look like all of them are on street tires eather. secend it is downhill it's the same track as this.http://videos.streetfire.net/search/...436E51E335.htm

Octane ratings can be misleading when going from country to country. Due to the US using a system that averages RON/MON our 93 octane is roughly equal to 96 or 98 RON if I recall.

Check out the wikipedia entry on octane.

Originally Posted by GTRJack

Did you know the 2.6 ltr. RB engine can handle up to 15 000+ RPM and exceed the boosts of over 50+ PSI? Basically the GTR is a road/street car, not a drag car and with the engine capable of pushing this much ltr. per horsepower from such an RPM/PSI range (= equals to smoother wider power band) I don't see bigger engine is neccessary for use on the street if you run on street tires (you'd need performance AWD cars for traction to Jack arss of all trade where ever you go). Big torque V8 explosive power cars with slicks belongs to a drag strip for acceleration test, not on a performance street car or on the road course.

I'm not trying to start a war here but, much of this is BS. While I have no personal experience I have taken some time to read what owners of RB engined cars do, and what they are really capable of, rather than the BS spouted by people who've never seen a GTR.

No factory RB engine is going to rev to 15k rpms. Not even a factory bottom end. Exvitermini has done EXTENSIVE modifications to get over the 11,000 rpms mark. Your not going to get away with 50psi of boost on less 98 RON fuel. Building a REAL street engine that can handle those revs and pressure's means your going to make a very unstreetable engine. The cams alone for that high of revs would make the engine require an idle that wouldn't pass any US emissions test.

More boost and RPM doesn't mean a wider rpm range, just means an engine will make more power from the same displacement higher in the RPMS (or with more boost). Proof of this is the Factory turbo saab/volvo/vw engines. They make peak torque from 1900-4500/5000 rpms with peak hp at about 5500, and don't exceed 16psi if I recall correctly. I haven't seen many engines, unless a lot of money was dumped into them, that had 3500-4000rpm wide powerband when they are reving to 11k+ and/or running 30+psi of boost. BTW, you seemed to miss that several of those cars have stroker cranks and bored out engines. The first one they show was a 2.8 stroker, and I know a 3.0 bottom end from the RB30 powered Holdens. I know the Signal auto car uses an 3.0 bottom end, so even the skylines prove that there is no replacement for displacement.

As far as your comment on big torque v8's not working on a road course, take a look at JGTC, Toyota has been using V8's for the past few year with more success than the 3s-gte powered cars. More bottom end torque ( which means more hp) means you can come out of a corner harder. Also big torque engines are better on the street, you don't hit a hard surge of boost all of a sudden with them like you do with a big turbo'd small engine, this means more stability, but you can still have an excess of it.

You want smoothness, and an excellent street setup would be to make as much torque as the chassis can put down for as long as possible. There's a tuner in michigan that uses this policy, he builts high torque Chevy engines, with turbo's setup to extend the rpm range. He doesn't get a large surge of torque all of a sudden, it just gets progressively faster as the revs build. It makes for a very reliable and strong setup.

Final there are street legal slicks. They have 2 extremely thin straight grooves cut in them. They engineered to the limit of the law for street tires. Many cars have hit extremely quick speeds with such tires.

BTW, you mean "pump gas" not "bump gas." Unless there's some slang I'm not in on.

These skylines still kick lots of ass, but you have a lot of flawed idea's when it comes to performance, especially for street cars.

[mehrshad]

I don't know what's your definition for big or small engines but I would guess anything bigger then 6 cylinder and displacement abow 4 ltr is big for you. Well I also hope you know how incredibly strong the RB (or the JZ) engine is and how sick arss amount of boost and RPM it can handle compared to biger power more cylinder pushrods. Did you know the 2.6 ltr. RB engine can handle up to 15 000+ RPM and exceed the boosts of over 50+ PSI? Basically the GTR is a road/street car, not a drag car and with the engine capable of pushing this much ltr. per horsepower from such an RPM/PSI range (= equals to smoother wider power band) I don't see bigger engine is neccessary for use on the street if you run on street tires (you'd need performance AWD cars for traction to Jack arss of all trade where ever you go). Big torque V8 explosive power cars with slicks belongs to a drag strip for acceleration test, not on a performance street car or on the road course.



WOW This R32 GTR has such a small turbo





[/quote]

the rb26 is not strong.the after market parts for those cars are. when you get knock it will melt down every thing.(by the way if you get knock you will loss power too)no mather how strong the engine is. did you know they make after market block for skylines?they are not from factory ,they have thicker walls on cylinders so it can hold more power.any way you try to find some thing to show a 2.8L engine (4-6-8 or even 12 cylender) can make 1000 whp on pump gas. even with 100 octain gas.you will need c16 for that much power. i just want to see they bit that car with stock short block.http://videos.streetfire.net/search/...7bc1484b28.htm

[thedguy]

Originally Posted by mehrshad

the rb26 is not strong.the after market parts for those cars are. when you get knock it will melt down every thing.(by the way if you get knock you will loss power too)no mather how strong the engine is. did you know they make after market block for skylines?they are not from factory ,they have thicker walls on cylinders so it can hold more power.any way you try to find some thing to show a 2.8L engine (4-6-8 or even 12 cylender) can make 1000 whp on pump gas. even with 100 octain gas.you will need c16 for that much power. i just want to see they bit that car with stock short block.http://videos.streetfire.net/search/...7bc1484b28.htm

You can get RB's to a hair over 3.0 if I'm not mistaken. From what I read on the skylines australia sight, around 450 hp and the pistons are to thin to support the power, and the rods have lubrication issues on RB26's. The pistons were made thinner to support the high factory redline.

[GTRJack]

Originally Posted by thedguy

I'm not trying to start a war here but, much of this is BS. While I have no personal experience I have taken some time to read what owners of RB engined cars do, and what they are really capable of, rather than the BS spouted by people who've never seen a GTR.

No factory RB engine is going to rev to 15k rpms. Not even a factory bottom end. Exvitermini has done EXTENSIVE modifications to get over the 11,000 rpms mark. Your not going to get away with 50psi of boost on less 98 RON fuel. Building a REAL street engine that can handle those revs and pressure's means your going to make a very unstreetable engine. The cams alone for that high of revs would make the engine require an idle that wouldn't pass any US emissions test.

More boost and RPM doesn't mean a wider rpm range, just means an engine will make more power from the same displacement higher in the RPMS (or with more boost). Proof of this is the Factory turbo saab/volvo/vw engines. They make peak torque from 1900-4500/5000 rpms with peak hp at about 5500, and don't exceed 16psi if I recall correctly. I haven't seen many engines, unless a lot of money was dumped into them, that had 3500-4000rpm wide powerband when they are reving to 11k+ and/or running 30+psi of boost. BTW, you seemed to miss that several of those cars have stroker cranks and bored out engines. The first one they show was a 2.8 stroker, and I know a 3.0 bottom end from the RB30 powered Holdens. I know the Signal auto car uses an 3.0 bottom end, so even the skylines prove that there is no replacement for displacement.

As far as your comment on big torque v8's not working on a road course, take a look at JGTC, Toyota has been using V8's for the past few year with more success than the 3s-gte powered cars. More bottom end torque ( which means more hp) means you can come out of a corner harder. Also big torque engines are better on the street, you don't hit a hard surge of boost all of a sudden with them like you do with a big turbo'd small engine, this means more stability, but you can still have an excess of it.

You want smoothness, and an excellent street setup would be to make as much torque as the chassis can put down for as long as possible. There's a tuner in michigan that uses this policy, he builts high torque Chevy engines, with turbo's setup to extend the rpm range. He doesn't get a large surge of torque all of a sudden, it just gets progressively faster as the revs build. It makes for a very reliable and strong setup.

Final there are street legal slicks. They have 2 extremely thin straight grooves cut in them. They engineered to the limit of the law for street tires. Many cars have hit extremely quick speeds with such tires.

BTW, you mean "pump gas" not "bump gas." Unless there's some slang I'm not in on.

These skylines still kick lots of ass, but you have a lot of flawed idea's when it comes to performance, especially for street cars.

^^ Correct, I mostly agree with you but I'm sorry my English isn't advanced enough. You're missleading my words a bit, I know and I'm fully aware of your statement abow but if you follow me I wasn't talking about the RB factory engine, I was talking about fully modified RB engine and what it's capable of. From what I know one of the big Japanese tuner (I think it was JUN) tested the a fully modified RB engine in a lab to the max pushing to 15K RPM but resulted to last only for couple of minutes before it broke down, I didn't say it's streetable. From the Excvitermini GTR700 Stage 3 the car was pushing to 13K RPM, that's already pretty sick. If you follow me once again I didn't miss anything, I just didn't spesific said which of the RB engine it was, I just used the code "RB" coz I left out open it could be stroke/bored out to 2.8 or 3.0 ltr RB30 or non.

I'm not sure if I 100% agree with the policy of making as much torque as possible on the chassis if you want smoothness, and an excellent street setup. My experience is big torque RWD cars on street tires the traction often becomes an issue. In Thailand I had an mildy tuned Skyline R32 GTR for couple years and my opinion is for a perfect street setup should have a decent low down wide torque peek with AWD traction to putt the power more effectivly to the ground is the way to go.

Sorry if I was a bit unclear but I didn't mean torque V8 isn't working on a road course, you're missleading me totally here. Actually V8 is perfectly on the road course with a good sensible torque range to push the car out of the corner harder. It's all about setup and my point was a wider torque and top end powerband from the mid speed section would suit better for the road course. Other words it's all about powerband for the right setup.

[Boost3dSkyline]

Originally Posted by GTRJack

^^ Correct, I mostly agree with you but I'm sorry my English isn't advanced enough. You're missleading my words a bit, I know and I'm fully aware of your statement abow but if you follow me I wasn't talking about the RB factory engine, I was talking about fully modified RB engine and what it's capable of. From what I know one of the big Japanese tuner (I think it was JUN) tested the a fully modified RB engine in a lab to the max pushing to 15K RPM but resulted to last only for couple of minutes before it broke down, I didn't say it's streetable. From the Excvitermini GTR700 Stage 3 the car was pushing to 13K RPM, that's already pretty sick. If you follow me once again I didn't miss anything, I just didn't spesific said which of the RB engine it was, I just used the code "RB" coz I left out open it could be stroke/bored out to 2.8 or 3.0 ltr RB30 or non.

I'm not sure if I 100% agree with the policy of making as much torque as possible on the chassis if you want smoothness, and an excellent street setup. My experience is big torque RWD cars on street tires the traction often becomes an issue. In Thailand I had an mildy tuned Skyline R32 GTR for couple years and my opinion is for a perfect street setup should have a decent low down wide torque peek with AWD traction to putt the power more effectivly to the ground is the way to go.

Sorry if I was a bit unclear but I didn't mean torque V8 isn't working on a road course, you're missleading me totally here. Actually V8 is perfectly on the road course with a good sensible torque range to push the car out of the corner harder. It's all about setup and my point was a wider torque and top end powerband from the mid speed section would suit better for the road course. Other words it's all about powerband for the right setup.

got any pics of that mildly tuned r32? n wut car u own now?