3000gt v vr4 Vs. 07 mustang gt

[ford_racer]

Originally Posted by bmxer99

wow. i <3 this thread.

damn where do i start.. here goes.

An 03-04 Cobra STOCK will run a very low 13 with the correct driver, and hell even a factory freak might pop the 12.9999 mark. but with Dr's they hit 12's consistantly. Then again the driver mod is needed.

NO THEY WILL NOT! On the F1s they will run mid ****ing 12s. Follow the links and watch the damn vid. You can ignore it all you want, but the facts are in front of your face.

As for your 408lsx block, should we compare it to a 5.4 4v. What was Joe going for, 1500 without nitrous?

[ford_racer]

Originally Posted by Ford88

Anybody know someone that owns a 00 cobra R? There are about 4 or 5 mustangs that run those times stock out of the 634859643 type of mustangs that were built. Any other mustang and you better start modding.

Who cares if we know them. Ford still had them in the 12s. That is the point.

What is with you people and constantly throwing variables in?

Does anybody know someone who has one?

What about the LS9?

What about a 408 iron block?


Every time I make a point that is widely known by the world outside of tremek.com, I get called brainwashed, told it isn't true, or told to post a vid simply because you people are too damn narrowminded to believe that a Mustang will go fast. I do not understand this. I prefer Fords, but do believe Hondas will go fast, DSMs will go fast, GMs will go fast while not being piles of shit while doing it.

[bmxer99]

Originally Posted by ford_racer

NO THEY WILL NOT! On the F1s they will run mid ****ing 12s. Follow the links and watch the damn vid. You can ignore it all you want, but the facts are in front of your face.

As for your 408lsx block, should we compare it to a 5.4 4v. What was Joe going for, 1500 without nitrous?

how sure are you it was bone stock? but yeah yeah okay. with godlike conditions and perfect weather, i can see an occasional mid 12.

but didnt the 02 SS 6spd pull that off too? was it 12.7 or something like that? 315hp i think it had...

[Memphis]

Originally Posted by ford_racer

There are multiple factors involving LSx swaps. How about how cheap they are to build and buy?

As for stock outputs, Ford made 550 out of the Ford GTs 5.4 where as GM made 620 out of the LS9. We all know how much abuse the Ford GT's stock motor can take thanks to Joe's TT, and what they will take when properly built.

Have you ever seen an LSx making 800 on STOCK internals? I've not. They're are a more than a few who've done it over on another forum I'm on, SVTP. It takes a good tune, but it's possible. The LS1 can do what, 600?

Again, LSx = Modular.

You are comparing a motor that was built for F.I. vs a one that up until the upcoming ZR1 hasn't came from the factory with a power adder. I would sure as shit hope one built for it could handle it. LSx motors I believe with stock internals can handle 6xx though I've heard of C6 Z06s pushing something in the 700 range but they were doing the meth thing too.

[Ford88]

Originally Posted by ford_racer

Who cares if we know them. Ford still had them in the 12s. That is the point.

What is with you people and constantly throwing variables in?

Does anybody know someone who has one?

What about the LS9?

What about a 408 iron block?


Every time I make a point that is widely known by the world outside of tremek.com, I get called brainwashed, told it isn't true, or told to post a vid simply because you people are too damn narrowminded to believe that a Mustang will go fast. I do not understand this. I prefer Fords, but do believe Hondas will go fast, DSMs will go fast, GMs will go fast while not being piles of shit while doing it.

Yeah, actually i know people with both... mustangs can go fast its just the time and money that makes weak minded people stay away from them, thus the camaro was made. lol

[bmxer99]

Originally Posted by ford_racer

Who cares if we know them. Ford still had them in the 12s. That is the point.

What is with you people and constantly throwing variables in?

Does anybody know someone who has one?

What about the LS9?

What about a 408 iron block?


Every time I make a point that is widely known by the world outside of tremek.com, I get called brainwashed, told it isn't true, or told to post a vid simply because you people are too damn narrowminded to believe that a Mustang will go fast. I do not understand this. I prefer Fords, but do believe Hondas will go fast, DSMs will go fast, GMs will go fast while not being piles of shit while doing it.

who said shit about the ls9? and yes i know many people with a 408. i also know many people making 600hp in stock ls1 form.

i know mustangs can go fast, i admit that. the interior is also nicer on the cobras.

[bmxer99]

not to mention, leave the damn ford GT out of it, lol who the **** is going to buy one of those? reliability is NOT in their vocabulary. they also cost 7 times more just to get that "quaility build"

were talking 4.6 to lsx, seeing as they are both below 30k and not 150k

[Traction Issuez]

oh ****ing shut up al of you. will you ever stop the kunt style complaining?

[bmxer99]

ok dad.. well quiet down. but i think were having fun

[Memphis]

Ok did a quick search and heres a stock bottom end LS2 that makes 7s

[ford_racer]

The LS9, 408, and "Does anybody know someone who has one?" were all variables thrown at me when I made a point.

Originally Posted by bmxer99

how sure are you it was bone stock? but yeah yeah okay. with godlike conditions and perfect weather, i can see an occasional mid 12.

Alright. I cannot convince you of the truth, so I will not try any longer.

Originally Posted by Memphis

You are comparing a motor that was built for F.I. vs a one that up until the upcoming ZR1 hasn't came from the factory with a power adder. I would sure as shit hope one built for it could handle it. LSx motors I believe with stock internals can handle 6xx though I've heard of C6 Z06s pushing something in the 700 range but they were doing the meth thing too.

So because it was built for boost, that should be taken out of the equation when comparing how good they are? Does that mean that because pushrod motors by nature react well to cam and headswaps, we shouldn't allow that to be a point for the LSx series of motors?

[ford_racer]

Originally Posted by bmxer99

not to mention, leave the damn ford GT out of it, lol who the **** is going to buy one of those? reliability is NOT in their vocabulary. they also cost 7 times more just to get that "quaility build"

were talking 4.6 to lsx, seeing as they are both below 30k and not 150k

The 5.4 and 4.6 are the same family of motors. If we stop talking about the 5.4, then we compare only ONE engine of the LSx family.

Apples to apples.

[bmxer99]

there is an ls1 2, 3, 6, and 7.

ford has 2 modern V8's 4.6, 5.0, 5.4..
and sorry dude, a cobra will not run mid 12's all day long, with any driver.

[Memphis]

No because you are comparing a motor MADE FOR BOOST yank the power adder and you aren't pulling past a fuking Tundra ok. The Cobras got a 8.5:1 c/r and I think the lowest c/r LSx is the 5.3 truck motor and that doesn't have forged internals like the Cobra does. How much can a GT engine handle?

[Ford88]

400 is the safe point for a 4.6 2-valve

thats everyday driving safe point (if your tune is good)