05 CL65 AMG vs 03 Cobra

[coloboardin]

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[Dogfight86]

nice video, i love the cl65

[24VR666]

Well, I think it's pretty obvious the Cobra had an advantage. It weighs waaaaaay less than the CL and was also modified. V-12, bi-turbo or not, is how it came from the factory. The next car on the Cobra's list to race should be the SL65 bi-turbo which weighs less (than the CL) and should give the Cobra a lot better run for its money. A few threads down you'll see a video of a modded Cobra vs. an E55. It should give you an idea of what a Merc is capable of stock out of the factory. Take this and multiply it by 1.5 and you'll understand what the SL65 will be able to do. At the very least it is lightyears ahead of any Ford in handling and general performance (keep in mind that I have plenty of respect for Cobras, but not much else in the Ford line-up including the new GT40). My final thoughts are keep it German, smoke everything else in style, luxury and refinement.

[TORQUE-DEMON]

Well, when you have 700+ ft-Lbs of torque at around 2000 RPM all the way up, does the weight REALY matter?

BTW SL doesn't weigh allot less then a CL.

About your last thoughts, well you should consider price !!!

I BET the cobra stops, and has better lateral GRIP, than the MBZ !
Handling??? when was the last time you drove a MBZ >? they are supple, and refined, yes, but not performance oriented ! they roll and dive too much, specially with the Airmatic DC. BMW are different, they usually handle well, and are definitely performance oriented.

FORD GT = LEGEND, no need for any other comment !
We’ll see who is talking about the CL65 - 40 years from now !

Jeremy Clarkson, who is EXTREEMLY biased against anything German, dumped his Ferrari for an SL55, what does that tell you about the MBZ, must be a nice car then ????
well he just dumped the SL for a Ford GT. In his review he said that he got the photographer to drive it so he can admire its behind !

[coloboardin]

Originally Posted by 24VR666

Well, I think it's pretty obvious the Cobra had an advantage. It weighs waaaaaay less than the CL and was also modified. V-12, bi-turbo or not, is how it came from the factory. The next car on the Cobra's list to race should be the SL65 bi-turbo which weighs less (than the CL) and should give the Cobra a lot better run for its money. A few threads down you'll see a video of a modded Cobra vs. an E55. It should give you an idea of what a Merc is capable of stock out of the factory. Take this and multiply it by 1.5 and you'll understand what the SL65 will be able to do. At the very least it is lightyears ahead of any Ford in handling and general performance (keep in mind that I have plenty of respect for Cobras, but not much else in the Ford line-up including the new GT40). My final thoughts are keep it German, smoke everything else in style, luxury and refinement.

I didn't post this vid to dog on MB, that cobra has some heavy mods done to it. I posted it because there aren't many 65 vids out there, so there is no need to pleed a case. I have driven plenty of CL and SL65 AMGs and I know that that cobra has to have some good mods done to it to beat the CL.
BTW I think the SL weighs more than the CL, and the only difference between the two is handling. I am a huge fan of both Ford and MB and I just thought this was a good vid.

[24VR666]

Originally Posted by TORQUE-DEMON

Well, when you have 700+ ft-Lbs of torque at around 2000 RPM all the way up, does the weight REALY matter?

BTW SL doesn't weigh allot less then a CL.

About your last thoughts, well you should consider price !!!

I BET the cobra stops, and has better lateral GRIP, than the MBZ !
Handling??? when was the last time you drove a MBZ >? they are supple, and refined, yes, but not performance oriented ! they roll and dive too much, specially with the Airmatic DC. BMW are different, they usually handle well, and are definitely performance oriented.

FORD GT = LEGEND, no need for any other comment !
We’ll see who is talking about the CL65 - 40 years from now !

Jeremy Clarkson, who is EXTREEMLY biased against anything German, dumped his Ferrari for an SL55, what does that tell you about the MBZ, must be a nice car then ????
well he just dumped the SL for a Ford GT. In his review he said that he got the photographer to drive it so he can admire its behind !

Hmmm.....so he could admire the behind. That's cute. Anyway, I was expecting some Ford fanatic to chime in with his or her 2 cents. Look, I wasn't trying to bash the Cobra in any way. Like I said in my previous post, I have respect for Cobras. I like the way they look, sound and drive. But for you to say that Mercedes isn't performance oriented is just absolutely ABSURD!! 0-60 in 4.2 seconds, yeah that's pretty slow huh? It's still a few ticks faster than a stock Cobra (not to mention it weighs 800lbs. more than a Cobra, and yes, the SL does weigh less than a CL by some 200lbs.). The Merc rockets past the 1/4 mile marker in just around 12 seconds, and once more magazines get a hold of one, I'm sure they'll be turning in high 11s. Roll & dive?! Are you thinking of a huge 420SEL from 1991?! With the new SLs MB has reduced body roll by 68% compared with models from a year or two prior thanks to independent 4-link, active electrohydraulic with load-dependent spring rates,gas-charged shocks, coil springs and level control in front and the same with a 5-link for the rear suspension. In addition there is an ABC switch on the console that allows the driver to reduce roll by 95% (also the ride height is adjustable). I'm pretty sure that translates to some pretty damn good performance figures. Ask anyone, Cobras have never been known to be "handling" cars. All hats off to the snakes in a straight line, but handling is just not one of the Cobra's fortes. How about braking? Well, the MB has AMG-enhanced compound brakes, 15.4" front discs with AMG 8-piston calipers, 13.7"" rear discs with AMG 4-piston calipers. Being about 800lbs heavier than a Cobra, it still stops a few feet shorter in a 60-0. What Mercedes does is balance luxury and performance.

My point is this: Sure, with the money I could spend on a SL65, I could build 10 different cars (i.e. hondas with type R swaps, GTIs with turbos, big block domestics) that would smoke both cars in that video. The bottomline is that you can't dis an SL by saying it's not a performance vehicle. I didn't say that Cobras were slow (we all know they're not). I understand the ridiculous margin between the prices of both cars. My response was from a strictly performance point of view.

[TORQUE-DEMON]

Originally Posted by 24VR666

Hmmm...... My response was from a strictly performance point of view.

OK heres some facts for ya my friend, when i said performance oriented i ment the handling. In a straight line i have to hand it to MBZ as a stock car, there insane ! I drove more than my fair share of MBZ's but i didnt have the opportunity to drive a Cobra, hence ill take your word for it, i deffinetly agree on the handling of the cobra, never the less i think if you take both to a track the Cobra will give the massively over powered Benz a run for there money ! just to be clear im talking about the CL65 here !

To clarify my point further,lets compare a SL55 and a SL65, on a track, Braking, acceleration, handling, time,...... Almost the same, but the 65 has a ton and a hlf more Torque, 100 more HP , 1 more Kompressor (Twin Turbo Vs. Kompressor) 4 more cylinders, and costs a boat load of cash over the 55 ! WHY, for WHAT ?

I would rather buy a Lamborghini, a Ferrari, or a Bently for that sort of money, interms of anything those cars are ate a higher level, so whats the use of all that power in a Benz >? where is the performance handling/braking your talking about compared to those ????

Braking???? HOW BIG WERE THOSE brakes ???? 15.4 inches thats larger than the wheels of a MBZ 7 years ago ! and only a few feet shorter of a Mustang...... HUH ! 8 PISTON CALIPERS, some racing cars dont have that many ! ALL THAT FOR A FEW FEET !

In the end i would like to say that if i had to pick between the 2 id pick the Merc. But my oppinion is that if a car costs as much as a house, i wouldnt like the feeling of a car that costs less than a garage to rub dust on my face, even in a boring, like most real life situations would be, straight line ! THATS ALL.

[TORQUE-DEMON]

Ohh yeah i forgot to add something:

Dont get me wrong I like Mercs, and the way they drive. You say 95% less roll, well its all relevant to what that percentage is compared to ! 95 % stiffer than a sloppy ride will be a decent ride not a Lemans racer !

I drove the Airmatic DC E55 Kompressor. Its nicer than the old MBZ's but not as good as the E39 M5 to drive ! But i would still take the Airmatic because its also AMAZINGLY supple over all road surfaces where the M5 is not, and thats where most of the driving is going to happen!

I would also take any AMG55 over any AMG65 for better value and performance per $ (and the V-8 sound)

In terms of bang for buck, you cant beat good old American Large Displacement V8's !

[24VR666]

Dude, a few feet shorter. Yes a few feet shorter, Did I mention 800lbs+ heavier than the Cobra?! Any way you look at it, that's a significant amount of weight. Still stops shorter. It needs brakes that big, shit, it weighs more than 4400lbs! Anyway, since were not really arguing, let's wait until MT or C&D test both cars on some track or what not, then we can bicker amongst ourselves, lol. I agree with you about the V-8s though, nothing like the sound of a Z06 running past you at full throttle!

[Mach70]

How did I miss this thread .

[TORQUE-DEMON]

Originally Posted by 24VR666

Dude, a few feet shorter. Yes a few feet shorter, Did I mention 800lbs+ heavier than the Cobra?! Any way you look at it, that's a significant amount of weight. Still stops shorter. It needs brakes that big, shit, it weighs more than 4400lbs! Anyway, since were not really arguing, let's wait until MT or C&D test both cars on some track or what not, then we can bicker amongst ourselves, lol. I agree with you about the V-8s though, nothing like the sound of a Z06 running past you at full throttle!

Agree, lets wait till they trash em, and bash em, so that we will have some figures to discuess LOL :P

WOW 4400 Lbs thats SUV territory !
Overbuilt, Overpowered, understated, sounds good to me

[TORQUE-DEMON]

Originally Posted by Mach70

How did I miss this thread .

240 posts and you joined around the same time i did ! RESPECT

KEEP IT UP

[Mach70]

Originally Posted by TORQUE-DEMON

240 posts and you joined around the same time i did ! RESPECT

KEEP IT UP

Haha true

[American Psycho]

Post count means shit

[TORQUE-DEMON]

Originally Posted by shaggy

Post count means shit

255 posts in 1 month.
so lets say Mach70 keeps it up for ...mmmmmm.. 9 more months?, that would mean 2500+posts !

Shaggy has been a member for 10 months and your post count is ????

ohh thats why you think post count means shit !


J/K, i know, its the content quality of the post not the quantity that counts !