Mazda 3 beats RX8

[dsmtim]

Thats just sad, how does someone let that happen.

[BOTLFEDLT1]

No, torque is not the be all and end all of performance.. but be realistic with your analogies with the tractor. I think another way of looking at it is asking the question what do you think is going to win: 200 hp backed up by 200 tq or 200hp with 120 lbs/ft tq everything else being equal? Torque shouldnt trump everything else in the performance equation, but I think its importance is underplayed.

Somewhere along the line, the marketing arms of certain manufacturers convinced the buying public that low and mid range performance was bad and that waiting for the power to come in at 6000 rpm was supposed to be a good thing. I dont doubt that the RX8 is faster than a 3, but with its anemic torque curve, it has to be driven EXACTLY right to get its best results (which arent that good to begin with).

Mike (who manhandles rx8's with 520+ rwtq @ 3000 rpm)

Originally Posted by SevPP

I'm sick of hearing this "no torque" crap. There is no doubt that torque is needed but if it was the be all and end all then our old Fordson tractor would be kicking arse all over the place- Oh but it wouldn't get close to a Cat dumper, those things would destroy a top fueller with the amount of torque they have

The RX8 is faster than a 3. Here, the 3 is modded sufficently, or the RX8 driver couldn't steer. I'm leaning more towards the 3 being modded but I reckon there is probably room for driver improvement also.

[SevPP]

Fair enough BOTLFEDLT1. Its just 'some' people in the v8 scene seem to think it is!

I get a bit worked up about this sort of thing. I've had rotaries since I was 17, now 25 and am sick of hearing that sort of crap. Well actually its funny when I hear it and then beat them soundly with my "no torque".

Anyway, the RX8 should have beaten the 3 with relative ease imo.

[BOTLFEDLT1]

Im not one of those ppl. I recognize that there are a lot of other factors that come into play, such gearing, weight, aero, etc. To me, the most important factor for real world performance is area under the power curve.

Originally Posted by SevPP

Fair enough BOTLFEDLT1. Its just 'some' people in the v8 scene seem to think it is!

I get a bit worked up about this sort of thing. I've had rotaries since I was 17, now 25 and am sick of hearing that sort of crap. Well actually its funny when I hear it and then beat them soundly with my "no torque".

Anyway, the RX8 should have beaten the 3 with relative ease imo.

[burnout]

Originally Posted by r34drifter

wow Rx8's truly suck :banghead:

u didnt know?

[davefzr]

I feel like I need to relay some information to some people so that they can see the light..

Yes I do own an RX8 and have been frequenting this site for over a year now and just feel compelled to post some information and inform you guys of the RX8's true potential. If you compare a car from Mazda that came right from the factory you will find that the RX8 is not that far behind it's predecessors.

Here is some information regarding 0-60 times of the Mazda RX7/8 over the past few years.

1990 Mazda RX-7 Turbo II 6.3 14.9
1991 Mazda RX-7 Conv. 8.8 16.7
1991 Mazda RX-7 Infini IV 7.0 14.9
1993 Mazda RX-7 5.5 14.0
1993 Mazda RX-7 R1 5.3 13.9
1994 Mazda RX-7 5.3 14.0
1994 Mazda RX-7 Touring 6.0 14.5 (auto)
1995 Mazda RX-7 R2 5.0 14.0
2004 Mazda RX-8 5.8 14.49 (6 speed) (MT Mar '04)

Now, if we do not know the specifics behind this video, then we cant comment as harshly as some of you have. Maybe you guys dont know this but automatic RX8 falls very short of the manual RX8. I would venture to say that it's at least 1 second behind the manual RX8 to 60 because it only has 4 ports as well as a lower rpm limit. The manual RX8 has 6 ports as well as a 9,000 redline that it can take advantage of. The automatic RX8 will not go past 7,000 rpm. This is a huge hinderence in power.

If you guys truly want to be educated about the true power of the RX8, just follow this link and you will see what the RX8 is all about when forced induction is involved. The RX8 has only had forced induction available for the past year and is already making over 290 whp with less than 9 pounds of boost.

Below is a video of the RX8 in the 1/4 mile pulling a 13 second run.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...32860314480345

Video of the true potential of the RX8 with a good tune.
http://www.mazsport.net/html/movies/rx8dynovideo.wmv

Future of the RX8's power potential.
http://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php?...88&postcount=1

Now I know that some of you are saying, well yeah, you have to boost to make power, but so did the old FC/D's... My point is, you shouldnt say something sucks unless you truly know if it sucks or not.

Here is some information regarding a properly tuned N/A RX8.
1.
http://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php?...&postcount=494

2.
Dyno Graph (Full exhaust header back) and Tune
http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.ph...chmentid=75156

I hope this opens your eyes regarding the RX8. Dont mean to sound snobby, but thats enough trash talking thank you.

It did finish first in the Grand-Am Cup Series last year you know.. :thumb:

[Suzano]

i'm not a big fan of the RX-8, i still like the older RX-7s

[RotaryMenace]

Originally Posted by davefzr

I feel like I need to relay some information to some people so that they can see the light..

Yes I do own an RX8 and have been frequenting this site for over a year now and just feel compelled to post some information and inform you guys of the RX8's true potential. If you compare a car from Mazda that came right from the factory you will find that the RX8 is not that far behind it's predecessors.

Here is some information regarding 0-60 times of the Mazda RX7/8 over the past few years.

1990 Mazda RX-7 Turbo II 6.3 14.9
1991 Mazda RX-7 Conv. 8.8 16.7
1991 Mazda RX-7 Infini IV 7.0 14.9
1993 Mazda RX-7 5.5 14.0
1993 Mazda RX-7 R1 5.3 13.9
1994 Mazda RX-7 5.3 14.0
1994 Mazda RX-7 Touring 6.0 14.5 (auto)
1995 Mazda RX-7 R2 5.0 14.0
2004 Mazda RX-8 5.8 14.49 (6 speed) (MT Mar '04)

Now, if we do not know the specifics behind this video, then we cant comment as harshly as some of you have. Maybe you guys dont know this but automatic RX8 falls very short of the manual RX8. I would venture to say that it's at least 1 second behind the manual RX8 to 60 because it only has 4 ports as well as a lower rpm limit. The manual RX8 has 6 ports as well as a 9,000 redline that it can take advantage of. The automatic RX8 will not go past 7,000 rpm. This is a huge hinderence in power.

If you guys truly want to be educated about the true power of the RX8, just follow this link and you will see what the RX8 is all about when forced induction is involved. The RX8 has only had forced induction available for the past year and is already making over 290 whp with less than 9 pounds of boost.

Below is a video of the RX8 in the 1/4 mile pulling a 13 second run.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...32860314480345

Video of the true potential of the RX8 with a good tune.
http://www.mazsport.net/html/movies/rx8dynovideo.wmv

Future of the RX8's power potential.
http://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php?...88&postcount=1

Now I know that some of you are saying, well yeah, you have to boost to make power, but so did the old FC/D's... My point is, you shouldnt say something sucks unless you truly know if it sucks or not.

Here is some information regarding a properly tuned N/A RX8.
1.
http://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php?...&postcount=494

2.
Dyno Graph (Full exhaust header back) and Tune
http://www.rx8club.com/attachment.ph...chmentid=75156

I hope this opens your eyes regarding the RX8. Dont mean to sound snobby, but thats enough trash talking thank you.

It did finish first in the Grand-Am Cup Series last year you know.. :thumb:

Right on. My friend owns an RX-8 and so far we installed the Racing Beat muffler and Racing Beat intake. It does have alot more potential. The car handles awesome on corners and is fun to drive. You just can't really make a comparison to the previous 7's that were factory equipped with forced inductions. Ofourse a Turbo will make it fast.

[low_civic]

Originally Posted by n00bie

how did a stock mazda3 beat an rx-8? that's kinda sad...

its not stock..