Cobalt vs. a E46 M3

[kotekk2]

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[01mmmz28]

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[SpdFrk1990]

It worked for me those look like fun cars.

[ray_sir_6]

Driver Mod for the win. No way that Cobalt beats either of those cars. The M3 had to miss a shift for the Cobalt to catch up like that, or he let off. The S2000 didn't even try to launch, and didn't look like he did anything but go normal from the light.

[Memphis]

^Did you catch that the Cobalt was modded? First race I think m3 dude screwed up and the cobalt pulled him in. In the second race I just think the S2000 got beat.

[97talon]

I believe with the mods listed in the vid the cobalt would have somewhere around 250 hp. Those combined with the weight loss would make it fairly quick. S2000's aren't that fast to begin with so that wouldn't be hard for the cobalt to win. The M3 is a mid 13 second car correct? So even that wouldn't be that hard to beat.

[R1KID]

Originally Posted by 97talon

I believe with the mods listed in the vid the cobalt would have somewhere around 250 hp. Those combined with the weight loss would make it fairly quick. S2000's aren't that fast to begin with so that wouldn't be hard for the cobalt to win. The M3 is a mid 13 second car correct? So even that wouldn't be that hard to beat.

That's pretty much dead on, forget the rice stats, the S2000 is a 14 second car and the M3 is a mid to low 100MPH car, if it means anything my buddy's Cobalt SS with GM stage 2 tune, 2.9" pulley, Fujita intake, and Magnaflow exhaust made 260+HP at the wheels, he has raced his brother's M3 SMG on a highway roll and they were side by side till the end of 4th, and if I remember correctly with DR's the car ran mid to high 13's @ mid 100's, from a roll it's a quick little car.

[97talon]

I would have expected low 13's with those mods. But glad to see I know what I'm talking about lol.

[BOTLFEDLT1]

I posted videos of that cobalt on here before (its the black one). A lightly modded cobalt will beat a s2000 all day long and hang with a e46 m3 from a roll.

Originally Posted by R1KID

That's pretty much dead on, forget the rice stats, the S2000 is a 14 second car and the M3 is a mid to low 100MPH car, if it means anything my buddy's Cobalt SS with GM stage 2 tune, 2.9" pulley, Fujita intake, and Magnaflow exhaust made 260+HP at the wheels, he has raced his brother's M3 SMG on a highway roll and they were side by side till the end of 4th, and if I remember correctly with DR's the car ran mid to high 13's @ mid 100's, from a roll it's a quick little car.

[BOTLFEDLT1]

Has power for low 13's, but traction for high mid/high 13's

Originally Posted by 97talon

I would have expected low 13's with those mods. But glad to see I know what I'm talking about lol.

[97talon]

I would think the DR's would more than make the traction especially with the nice linear power of the supercharger.

[ray_sir_6]

Originally Posted by Memphis

^Did you catch that the Cobalt was modded? First race I think m3 dude screwed up and the cobalt pulled him in. In the second race I just think the S2000 got beat.

The S2000 didn't even launch. If he was racing, he would have pulled a car or two off the line and then the Cobalt could have caught him.

http://http://youtube.com/watch?v=EU4hDP9_sJM

That is what happens when an S2000 is launched. Beat the GTO and Stang, although the GTO walked right past him, and the GT, well, it lost by 3 cars. And exhaust on a S2000 is worth about 3 whp.

Originally Posted by 97talon

I believe with the mods listed in the vid the cobalt would have somewhere around 250 hp. Those combined with the weight loss would make it fairly quick. S2000's aren't that fast to begin with so that wouldn't be hard for the cobalt to win. The M3 is a mid 13 second car correct? So even that wouldn't be that hard to beat.

If the Cobalt was faster than the M3, he would have pulled it from the beginning, it's a SC, not a Turbo, no LAG. I have raced a SS SC with intake/exhaust/"chip" and he got me from the hit, but I caught him on the top.

Originally Posted by R1KID

That's pretty much dead on, forget the rice stats, the S2000 is a 14 second car and the M3 is a mid to low 100MPH car, if it means anything my buddy's Cobalt SS with GM stage 2 tune, 2.9" pulley, Fujita intake, and Magnaflow exhaust made 260+HP at the wheels, he has raced his brother's M3 SMG on a highway roll and they were side by side till the end of 4th, and if I remember correctly with DR's the car ran mid to high 13's @ mid 100's, from a roll it's a quick little car.

Side by side? So it's safe to say that if the M3 pulled right away, that the Cobalt wasn't even close to being as fast as your buddies.

Originally Posted by BOTLFEDLT1

I posted videos of that cobalt on here before (its the black one). A lightly modded cobalt will beat a s2000 all day long and hang with a e46 m3 from a roll.

Maybe from a roll, but from a dig the RWD will jump out and you'll have to catch him. I did this in my Miata. Raced a GS-T with 260whp from a 50 punch and he would put 4-5 cars on me to 110, pulling strong. But from a dig, he didn't catch me till I hit 90. This was when I had 122whp (previous owner never tightened the spark plugs). Oh, and I DON'T launch well, yet still yanked 3 cars from the dig.

[BOTLFEDLT1]

Due to the S2000's powerband, most drivers will find its a bog or spin sort of deal and it takes a good driver to get sub 2.0's out of them. Its not a given that its going to get a huge lead over a cobalt simply b/c its rwd. What is a given, however, is the fact that a lightly modded cobalt is going to freight train a stock or i/e s2000 once its moving. You are talking about a difference of up to 10 mph in traps, given the real world traps a stock s2000 is putting out. The cobalt would have still passed that s2000 by the end of the race even if it did launch "properly".

They both weight 2800 lbs. S2000 makes 195 rwhp/125rwtq vs 250whp/215wtq

Rwd in this case isnt enough to overcome the hp/tq advantage.

Power/weight comparison with m3: 11.8 lbs/hp vs 11.2 lbs/hp for cobalt (assuming 250 whp), Of course gearing comes into play, but based on the power to weight, you can readily see that it will hang with the all mighty e46... which only trap mid 100's.

Originally Posted by ray_sir_6

Maybe from a roll, but from a dig the RWD will jump out and you'll have to catch him. I did this in my Miata. Raced a GS-T with 260whp from a 50 punch and he would put 4-5 cars on me to 110, pulling strong. But from a dig, he didn't catch me till I hit 90. This was when I had 122whp (previous owner never tightened the spark plugs). Oh, and I DON'T launch well, yet still yanked 3 cars from the dig.

[ray_sir_6]

The S2k didn't even launch, and neither did the Cobalt. No wheel spin from the Cobalt, and they had to go over a hump in the road before they got on it. So, yeah, the Cobalt should have beat him with more power. If the road had been smooth at the start, the Cobalt would have had to catch him. Only way the Cobalt isn't playing catch up is if the S2k driver sucks. If you think that is BS, please refer back to the video of the S2k racing the GTO above.

The actual weight for the S2k is more like 2400lbs, empty. A buddy of mine got one a few months ago, and he weighed it at the drag strip. It weighed less than my car with me in it at 2426. When he first told me, I called BS, cause it can't weigh less than a Miata, but then he added it was without him in it. My car is 2206 (1/2 tank of gas) empty.

[R1KID]

Originally Posted by ray_sir_6

Side by side? So it's safe to say that if the M3 pulled right away, that the Cobalt wasn't even close to being as fast as your buddies.

Pulled right away? Dude, I think you need to watch the vid again, the M3 never "pulled" right away, he may have hit it first, and the angle made it look like the Cobalt was out of the picture but that's because the M3 was blocking the view, if you look through the M3's windshield and side window at the 0:34 mark you'll see that the M3 was never more than half a car ahead, so basically the M3 got the punch, but the Cobalt held him and reeled him in.