C6 Z06 vs Bolt on LS1

[Verrückt]

Originally Posted by 95bat

Not to mention it put down the 2nd fastest time at the Nurburgring for any production car.

LMAO.

That bull**** is nowhere near true. I could name many faster production cars on the Nürburgring.

Radiacal SR8
Radical SR3
Donkervoort
Carrera GT
Enzo
MC12
Königgsegg

and many more...

[nx468]

http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=0&tID=10073

7:42.9 - 160.207 km/h -- Corvette Z06, 500 PS/1319 kg(estimated), Jan Magnusen, (Sporbilen, jun,26 05

Not bad for hanging with the 250K+ and beating alot of them. The Blue Devil is going to be a different story and at only a 100K and smashing alot of those times from the other supercars.

For the Record the Radicals are not a sports car, they are a production yuppie race car for tracks only, not much different then a fast go kart.

I dont see Enzo and Donkervort on the list.

[95bat]

Originally Posted by Verrückt

LMAO.

That bull**** is nowhere near true. I could name many faster production cars on the Nürburgring.

Radiacal SR8
Radical SR3
Donkervoort
Carrera GT
Enzo
MC12
Königgsegg

and many more...

I was just going by what this month's Hotrod Magazine said.
The cars you listened aren't all production cars either. The Radical SR8 says right there "race car", M3 GTR is not production, etc.

2nd fastest or not, the damn car only costs $65k

Here is some info I found:

Recent Nurburgring lap time comparisons for the 2006 Z06 driven by Jan Magnusson. The Z06 was a preproduction model on treaded tires, not race slicks:

Porsche Carrera GT 7:32,
CORVETTE Z06 7:42,
Porsche 996 GT2 7:42,
Pagani Zonda S 7:44,
Lamborghini Murcielago 7:50,
Lamborghini Gallaedo 7:52,
Mercedes-McLaren SLR 7:52,
Corvette C6 7:59,
Porsche 911 8:07,
Dodge Viper GTS 8:10,

Source: Sept Motor Trend

Lap Record is 6:11, Porsche 956. The 7:32 Porsche Carrera GT costs $450,000. The track is 14.2 miles
with 170 turns.

[Andre300kph]

:thumpup: who knows what was that song on background
I LOVE the new Z06 its F Fast

[95bat]

Originally Posted by Andre300kph

:thumpup: who knows what was that song on background
I LOVE the new Z06 its F Fast

Disturbed - Guarded

Its from their new CD, if you like that song you should check out the whole CD

[Verrückt]

Originally Posted by nx468

http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=0&tID=10073

7:42.9 - 160.207 km/h -- Corvette Z06, 500 PS/1319 kg(estimated), Jan Magnusen, (Sporbilen, jun,26 05

Not bad for hanging with the 250K+ and beating alot of them. The Blue Devil is going to be a different story and at only a 100K and smashing alot of those times from the other supercars.

For the Record the Radicals are not a sports car, they are a production yuppie race car for tracks only, not much different then a fast go kart.

I dont see Enzo and Donkervort on the list.

Donkervoort is the 6th car...

Nordschleife excluding GP track, 20.6 km:

6:55 --- 178.699 km/h -- Radical SR8, 360 PS/650 kg, Michael Vergers, sep,28 2005, http://www.radicalextremesportscars....0905/index.php 7:01 --- 176.152 km/h -- Manthey Porsche GT3 race car, 493 PS (AutoBild 06/04), http://www.manthey-motors.de/nextsho...pdf.asp?id=217
7:10 --- 173.100 km/h -- BMW M3 GTR, 450 PS/1350 kg, Joerg Mueller (practice 24hrs race 03)
7:12* -- 173.600 km/h -- Radical SR3 Turbo, 320 PS/500 kg (test drive 07/03) (*mfr.)
7:12.25 173.500 km/h -- Schnitzer BMW M3 GTR, Dirk Mueller, 24hrs race practice (02)
7:15.63 169.311 km/h -- Edo Porsche 996 GT2 RS, 542 PS/1284 kg, Patrick Simons (sport auto 09/05), http://www.edo-competition.net/movie...eife_gt2rs.wmv
7:18.01 170.236 km/h -- Donkervoort D8 RS, 370 PS/670 kg, Michael Duechting, sport auto 12/2004, >>> http://speed.supercars.net/PitLane?v...ID=2&tID=13957
7:19* -- 168.929 km/h -- Radical SR3 1500 Turbo, Phil Bennet (jun,15 03) (*mfr.), http://www.radicalmotorsport.com/new...iefe/index.php ,
www.radicalsportscars.com/gallery/ring2b.mpg
7:20* -- 168.545 km/h -- Opel Astra DTM V8 Coupe, 500hp, set-up for 24hrs race (sport auto 03) *estimated
7:21 --- 168.163 km/h -- Blitz Supra, 650 PS (Autocar magazine 97)
7:25 --- 168.651 km/h -- Alzen Motorsport Porsche 996, 24hrs race, Uwe Alzen
7:28 --- 166.652 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, Walther Roehrl,(Autobild 07/04)
7:32.44 163.911 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, definitive time Horst von Saurma (sport auto 01/04)
7:32.52 163.882 km/h -- Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 EVO, Wolfgang Kaufmann (sport auto 01) , www.gemballa.com/news/gtr6002.html
7:36 --- 162.631 km/h -- AC-Schnitzer M3 CLS II E36, 350 hp, Michelin Sport Cup R , Mattias Ekblom
7:36 --- 162.631 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, factory test driver Walther Roehrl (02)
7:39 --- 161.575 km/h -- Koenigsegg CCR, 806 PS/1180 kg, http://www.koenigsegg.com/news/artic...age=&type=news
>>> http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=0&tID=44953
7:40* -- 161.217 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, *cold and partially wet track (sport auto 12/03)
7:40 --- 161.217 km/h -- Porsche GT3 RS, stock but Pirelli P Zero Corsa, Mattias Ekblom (ams)
7:40 --- 161.217 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren, Klaus Ludwig (Autobild 07/04)
7:41 --- 160.868 km/h -- Manthey Porsche GT3 M410, 413hp (AutoBild 07/04) , http://www.manthey-motors.de/nextsho...pdf.asp?id=217
7:42 --- 160.519 km/h -- Mosler MT900S Photon, Joao Barbosa, (04) (according to dailysportscar.net)
7:42 --- 160.519 km/h -- Radical 1500 SR3, 230 PS/510 kg (02)
7:42.9 - 160.207 km/h -- Corvette Z06, 500 PS/1319 kg(estimated), Jan Magnusen, (Sporbilen, jun,26 05), >>> http://www.supercars.net/Pics?vpf2=y...ID=1384471&l=d

That list is nowhere near official...there are many more times than that, published and unpublished.

The Radical is fully street legal in Europe and production, so it counts.

Hell, some people even drive them in winter.

Originally Posted by 95bat

I was just going by what this month's Hotrod Magazine said.
The cars you listened aren't all production cars either. The Radical SR8 says right there "race car", M3 GTR is not production, etc.

2nd fastest or not, the damn car only costs $65k

Here is some info I found:

Hot Rod magazine would the the last place I would expect to find anything credible about the Nürburgring.

The Donkervoort and Radical are considerably less than the Corvette and easily beat it around the 'ring.

[nx468]

150 cars per year isnt a production car, If GM wanted to build go karts for a living. I'm sure they would but there isnt a market for it. Your not comparing apples to apples here. Your showing a full out race car the size of a large go kart with headlights not even enough room for a extra rider with a HELMET. Get off your high horse a 7:42 is still very impressive for a bone stock fully production car ! They showed the supercars on radial tires and compared them, Hot Rod magazine displayed it due to the Z06 running and out running the expensive supercars.

[Verrückt]

Originally Posted by nx468

150 cars per year isnt a production car, If GM wanted to build go karts for a living. I'm sure they would but there isnt a market for it. Your not comparing apples to apples here. Your showing a full out race car the size of a large go kart with headlights not even enough room for a extra rider with a HELMET. Get off your high horse a 7:42 is still very impressive for a bone stock fully production car ! They showed the supercars on radial tires and compared them, Hot Rod magazine displayed it due to the Z06 running and out running the expensive supercars.

I know it's impressive, one of my next car purchases will be a C6 Z06.

However, you have to take it for what it is, a poorly built, low tech, loud and obnoxious redneck-mobile...which happens to be fast and cheap.

:loser1:

[nx468]

Originally Posted by Verrückt

I know it's impressive, one of my next car purchases will be a C6 Z06.

However, you have to take it for what it is, a poorly built, low tech, loud and obnoxious redneck-mobile...which happens to be fast and cheap.

:loser1:

And your buying one ! Guess you'll have to show the Euro Snobs (like you) what a redneck mobile is all about smacking away all your German and Italian High Technology and at under 1/4 the cost of them, are you getting the wood grain gun rack for it too ? Oh they are going to be jealous of you! They might even call you a dare I say it (Stupid American)

Try to stay on topic !! :thumb:

[95bat]

Originally Posted by Verrückt

I know it's impressive, one of my next car purchases will be a C6 Z06.

However, you have to take it for what it is, a poorly built, low tech, loud and obnoxious redneck-mobile...which happens to be fast and cheap.

:loser1:

Wow you couldn't be more wrong.

poorly built how? All the eurofags even respect this car. All of my buddies who praise BMW, Mercedes, and whatnot told me themselves after driving the car "man that changes my image of GM right there."

Low tech how? Because its a pushrod V8? Go look at the damn racing scene. The "low tech" pushrod V8 is KILLING THE ENTIRE FIELD. It's so fast GM has its own special rules so there will even be a race. The first time the destroked LS7 was on the track (destroked to meet motor size requirements), the car LAPPED the whole field. On top of that, The 505hp Z06 gets such good gas mileage it dosen't even have to pay a gas guzzler tax! Check it out for yourself on chevrolet.com. Now how is that "low tech"? It does everything the european cars are doing but better, faster, and cleaner.

Loud and obnoxious ... well 505hp isn't supposed to sound like a vespa. In reality, though, the car isn't that loud. My firebird with exhaust idles as loud as the vette does. It only gets loud from like 3500rpm up to the 7000rpm redline. You must have heard a ferrari or lambo get on the gas... those cars are loud as f*ck. But every time I hear one it makes me ruin my underwear

Lastly redneck mobile... we prefer the term "Appalachain Americans" thank you Seriously tho, rednecks can't afford it :P The camaro and firebird are redneck mobiles hehe. Can we say 3rd gen IROC? LOL

They really are amazing cars.

[Frogy Mike]

Yeah, an S4 does have supperior sound insulation, but thats not what the Z06 is about, its about getting around a track the fastest with the most precision. And hick mobile, c-mon i could say an Audi is for Stuck up @$$ holes who need to find a better suited car for their life style instead of riding around like snobs with the silver spoons wedged so far up their @ss's you can see it glisten in the back of their mouths when the smile. So c'mon why need to get into name calling when all you have to do is admit that it is a nice car. Oh and BTW just cause Top gear hates the Vette on the show, they gave it astonishing reviews in the magaizne, as well as the viper getting better recognition then the American editors would pour into it.

And its a third gen Iroc with the primer front end and the T-Tops duct taped to the roof to preven the leeking in those awful cars.

[95bat]

Originally Posted by Frogy Mike

Yeah, an S4 does have supperior sound insulation, but thats not what the Z06 is about, its about getting around a track the fastest with the most precision. And hick mobile, c-mon i could say an Audi is for Stuck up @$$ holes who need to find a better suited car for their life style instead of riding around like snobs with the silver spoons wedged so far up their @ss's you can see it glisten in the back of their mouths when the smile. So c'mon why need to get into name calling when all you have to do is admit that it is a nice car. Oh and BTW just cause Top gear hates the Vette on the show, they gave it astonishing reviews in the magaizne, as well as the viper getting better recognition then the American editors would pour into it.

And its a third gen Iroc with the primer front end and the T-Tops duct taped to the roof to preven the leeking in those awful cars.

The vette is faster than the viper on the track though :P
My buddy works for Road & Track... they tested both of them on the same track and the Z06 would get liek 14mph faster on the straight than the Viper.. hehehe

[Verrückt]

Originally Posted by 95bat

Wow you couldn't be more wrong.

poorly built how? All the eurofags even respect this car. All of my buddies who praise BMW, Mercedes, and whatnot told me themselves after driving the car "man that changes my image of GM right there."

Low tech how? Because its a pushrod V8? Go look at the damn racing scene. The "low tech" pushrod V8 is KILLING THE ENTIRE FIELD. It's so fast GM has its own special rules so there will even be a race. The first time the destroked LS7 was on the track (destroked to meet motor size requirements), the car LAPPED the whole field. On top of that, The 505hp Z06 gets such good gas mileage it dosen't even have to pay a gas guzzler tax! Check it out for yourself on chevrolet.com. Now how is that "low tech"? It does everything the european cars are doing but better, faster, and cleaner.

Loud and obnoxious ... well 505hp isn't supposed to sound like a vespa. In reality, though, the car isn't that loud. My firebird with exhaust idles as loud as the vette does. It only gets loud from like 3500rpm up to the 7000rpm redline. You must have heard a ferrari or lambo get on the gas... those cars are loud as f*ck. But every time I hear one it makes me ruin my underwear

Lastly redneck mobile... we prefer the term "Appalachain Americans" thank you Seriously tho, rednecks can't afford it :P The camaro and firebird are redneck mobiles hehe. Can we say 3rd gen IROC? LOL

They really are amazing cars.

How many Z06's have you sat in? Have you seen one yet? Next C6 you see...go around to the back of the car and press the rear end near the headlight area. It will shake and wobble worse than Jello. The build quality of the Z06 is nowhere near a Porsche Boxster, Cayman, Audi RS4, etc. Not even close. It doesn't matter because the Corvette is much faster. The interior is lightyears ahead of the older Corvettes, but still subpar for the price class. The driveline makes tons of noise. It's not refined, it's a crude oxcart with a massive motor. Ok, maybe it's not THAT bad. I do like the technology that has gone into the weight saving measures.

I work in the Auto industry. I design parts for the Big 3 and Euro/Japanese carmakers. The US engineers WILL TELL YOU FLAT OUT they are not at the same quality as the imports.

The LS7 is not anything groundbreaking technologically. Ti rods were in production Japanese cars over 10 years ago. The pistons aren't even forged. The dry sump is pretty trick though.

Corvettes get better gas mileage on the highway because of a massively overdriven (and slow) 6th gear. European carmakers would never gear their cars like this because a gear that tall is useless on the Autobahn.

Also, it only gets this gas mileage if you drive like a granny...and you should be shot for doing that in a Z06.

If you're not getting single digit MPG, you're not driving it right.

I have no idea what "racing" you are talking about, but in the ALMS series ALL cars have special restrictions to keep the field level. GM isn't the only one.

The Z06 is a huge accomplishment for GM. I want one, it will be a fun car. However to think it beats every car in everything is a little short sighted.

[95bat]

Originally Posted by Verrückt

How many Z06's have you sat in? Have you seen one yet? Next C6 you see...go around to the back of the car and press the rear end near the headlight area. It will shake and wobble worse than Jello. The build quality of the Z06 is nowhere near a Porsche Boxster, Cayman, Audi RS4, etc. Not even close. It doesn't matter because the Corvette is much faster. The interior is lightyears ahead of the older Corvettes, but still subpar for the price class. The driveline makes tons of noise. It's not refined, it's a crude oxcart with a massive motor.

I work in the Auto industry. I design parts for the Big 3 and Euro/Japanese carmakers. The US engineers WILL TELL YOU FLAT OUT they are not at the same quality as the imports.

The LS7 is not anything groundbreaking technologically. Ti rods were in production Japanese cars over 10 years ago. The pistons aren't even forged. The dry sump is pretty trick though.

Corvettes get better gas mileage on the highway because of a massively overdriven (and slow) 6th gear. European carmakers would never gear their cars like this because a gear that tall is useless on the Autobahn.

Also, it only gets this gas mileage if you drive like a granny...and you should be shot for doing that in a Z06.

If you're not getting single digit MPG, you're not driving it right.

I have no idea what "racing" you are talking about, but in the ALMS series ALL cars have special restrictions to keep the field level. GM isn't the only one.

The Z06 is a huge accomplishment for GM. I want one, it will be a fun car. However to think it beats every car in everything is a little short sighted.

I drove one for a while man. Not at a dealership with a salesman in the car either.

Everything else you said is just your opinion... which you can have and I won't change.

[Verrückt]

Originally Posted by nx468

150 cars per year isnt a production car, If GM wanted to build go karts for a living. I'm sure they would but there isnt a market for it. Your not comparing apples to apples here. Your showing a full out race car the size of a large go kart with headlights not even enough room for a extra rider with a HELMET. Get off your high horse a 7:42 is still very impressive for a bone stock fully production car ! They showed the supercars on radial tires and compared them, Hot Rod magazine displayed it due to the Z06 running and out running the expensive supercars.

This is not what the discussion is about...this is about whether or not the Z06 is the 2nd fastest production car around the ring ever.

It isn't. Even if you don't count the two Radicals and the Donkervoort (which technically do count), you still have the Carrera GT, Königsegg, Mercedes SLR, Porsche GT3 RS, and Mosler ahead (just on that one list) which are all "real" cars and production street legal on normal street tires.