dont buy a Viper

[Yop]

so with 25 grand it did a lower 13sec 1/4?

[Remirez]

I've always been a big fan of Michelle Mouton. When I was a kid we used to have an old video made by castrol of the 1982 Swedish rally and Acropolis. In both, had it not been for Hannu Mikola (who was absolutely amazing), she would have dominated. (unfortunately, Audi were disqualified from the Acropolis halfway through.
She came in second overall in the world championship that year. Which is alot better than so many of the mediocre men drivers since then.

And let's not forget about Pat Moss.

[Headracer]

Pat Moss was never quite in the same league as Michelle, in my book. What sticks out for me is that when everyone else in rallying was crying for group B to be banned, Michelle effectively quit the sport when they did ban it. That and finishing second to Walter Rohrl (when no one else was even close to her other than him) has to be the single greatest accomplishment of any female driver in any form of motorsport. Looking at all of the 'world championships' like WTCC, FIAGT, F1, WRC, etc. none of them have ever had a woman hold such a high position over an entire season.

And I bet she would know how to handle a viper.

[97talon]

Originally Posted by Yop

so with 25 grand it did a lower 13sec 1/4?

That 25000 pounds which is around 50000 us dollars. And it should in theory be at least a 12 sec car to beat a viper.

[robz95xj]

geez for 50k im sure i could get my big ass truck into the 10's

[Remirez]

Originally Posted by Headracer

And I bet she would know how to handle a viper.

Pat Moss never accomplished as much, but for her time, she waaay better than any other woman driver anywhere. She wasn't afraid to get under the car and fix things mid-stage. She also had two of the best driver's in the world, at that time, in her life. Her brother, Sterling, and her husband Erik Carlsson.

And Michelle Mouton would most definitely know how to handle a viper in a straight line. If she could handle the +500hp Quattro up Pikes Peak and on numerous rally stages around the world, I think that a viper going straight down a runway might be a little boring to her, actually.

[Nortad]

You dont steer with your penis and balls, so man or woman is a non issue.

The fact is, you can tune anything to go as fast as you wanna go, as long as you´ve got the money.

You can take any type of crap to serve has a chassis tune or replace the stock engine for anything and built a 4x4 or 6x6 or whatever, the imagination is your limit.

The whole tuned v stock issue is stupid because its all too organic and subjective. Expensive cars are usualy powerful but street legal in all detail and better built and reliable, and when you count that in, tuning a lesser car to achive the same result in all areas and not only the performance part, then the tables turn and it becomes more expensive to tune than to buy a stock Ferrari or Lambo, because these are usualy built with those issues in mind, and a hothatch would have to be serious adapted and even then it would be compromised.

[Headracer]

Originally Posted by Nortad

The whole tuned v stock issue is stupid because its all too organic and subjective. Expensive cars are usualy powerful but street legal in all detail and better built and reliable, and when you count that in, tuning a lesser car to achive the same result in all areas and not only the performance part, then the tables turn and it becomes more expensive to tune than to buy a stock Ferrari or Lambo, because these are usualy built with those issues in mind, and a hothatch would have to be serious adapted and even then it would be compromised.

I think that's true beyond a certain point. With any stock production car, the manufacturer builds in a certain fudge factor in terms of parts that are understressed or overbuilt. When a manufacturer does this with say, an engine, there is solid room for improvement at a relatively economical price because you only have to replace a few select parts (or even just reflash the ECU in some cases). That's the area where modifying makes sense; between what the parts really are designed to be capable of and the lower load the manufacturer puts on them from the factory. Beyond that, it gets into a question of diminishing marginal power/handling returns on investment as you end up replacing more parts than you keep. Unless making your ride really "personal" is worth that cash it isn't worth venturing into this level of modding because any claimed justification in terms of speed is complete BS. Huh, I guess it just took me an entire paragraph to say I kind of agree...Oh well.

[bmxer99]

^whoa, just whoa. lol

[Nortad]

Originally Posted by Headracer

I think that's true beyond a certain point. With any stock production car, the manufacturer builds in a certain fudge factor in terms of parts that are understressed or overbuilt. When a manufacturer does this with say, an engine, there is solid room for improvement at a relatively economical price because you only have to replace a few select parts (or even just reflash the ECU in some cases). That's the area where modifying makes sense; between what the parts really are designed to be capable of and the lower load the manufacturer puts on them from the factory. Beyond that, it gets into a question of diminishing marginal power/handling returns on investment as you end up replacing more parts than you keep. Unless making your ride really "personal" is worth that cash it isn't worth venturing into this level of modding because any claimed justification in terms of speed is complete BS. Huh, I guess it just took me an entire paragraph to say I kind of agree...Oh well.

well this is a subject where its hard to make a 100% true point, because it depends on each and every car. Its something that just changes from case to case.

[Quibron]

Originally Posted by Remirez

This business of racing heavily heavily modified cars against stock ones isn't very scientific and doesn't really mean anything at all. They're basically trying to make boy-ricers feel good about themselves.

And dont even start with the 'woman driver' stuff. All she had to do was shift at the right time and floor it. Vicki is actually a pretty kick-ass driver, though.
One of the best rally drivers in the last 30 years was a woman. Some of the fastest times set on the nurburgring were set by a woman.

It was just a stupid test.

Not sure but, I think Vicki was the first woman ever to win a rally championship

[Remirez]

Originally Posted by Quibron

Not sure but, I think Vicki was the first woman ever to win a rally championship

WOT? I hope you're having a laugh mate. It's hard to tell sarcasm when its only written and there's no facial or vocal expression.