Initial-D 2

[CrAcKaJaP206]

D1 Racing and Touge racing is different. Yest i know about the viper and gto in D1 racing, and that's great. But no way would they make it to ID. 1, it would be retarded and would make no sense, and 2, no way an american muscle could beat a touge tuned import.

[NoHook]

Originally Posted by CrAcKaJaP206

D1 Racing and Touge racing is different. Yest i know about the viper and gto in D1 racing, and that's great. But no way would they make it to ID. 1, it would be retarded and would make no sense, and 2, no way an american muscle could beat a touge tuned import.

427 shelby cobra tuned for the touge would be a very big problem for any import tuned for the Touge. It is a lighter car and has way more HP, not to mention it has a very short wheel base and turns sharp as hell. D1 is different yes, but not buy much. The D1 races are derived from the whole touge seen. Why do you think all the best Touge Racers always end up in D1? what about the rally races I mentioned? same thing and porsches do those races and win. BTW don't Those Big ass nissan Skylines race the touge? Last time I checked the handling on those suck and can you say understeer. Hell the Z06 Corvette whipped the skylines ass at a certain track in japan stock for stock

[CrAcKaJaP206]

Hey i know what, go take your mustang to japan and race it on the touge yay. and yes some skylines do race on touge, the older FR ones, the awd r34's do not.

Touge and D1 are completely different. Touge has debries on the road, and most of the time are much more narrow and winding. But you say your mustang will do the same, so plz, go drifting at some of these place listed below(they're from the actual ID racing mt passes)

Touge









D1





Go watch any D1 Vid. Now could your mustang work at at the track, like a D1 event, yes it can. Will it work at the Touge, no it will not. Until i'm proven wrong, that's what i believe.

[BizzarBoxer]

Originally Posted by Big Morgan

the Impreza WRC is not a modified stock Impreza, it's a completely different car made by ProDrive (they also make Ferrari's M575 Maranello race car) in the UK.

ahh i misread i thought u said the wrx.... your correct... And about the GT-40 i duno what i would do but if it was an original i am for hell not touge in that to precious and rare of a car but the new ones..... yea probably as long as i didnt have to pay for it

[NoHook]

Originally Posted by CrAcKaJaP206

Hey i know what, go take your mustang to japan and race it on the touge yay. and yes some skylines do race on touge, the older FR ones, the awd r34's do not.

Touge and D1 are completely different. Touge has debries on the road, and most of the time are much more narrow and winding. But you say your mustang will do the same, so plz, go drifting at some of these place listed below(they're from the actual ID racing mt passes)

Touge









D1





Go watch any D1 Vid. Now could your mustang work at at the track, like a D1 event, yes it can. Will it work at the Touge, no it will not. Until i'm proven wrong, that's what i believe.

I never said anything about my mustang on the touge I was talking about a Shelby 427 cobra. Or maybe since you don't know much about cars you thought that was a mustang also right? A 427 cobra would whoop that old skylines ass in any aspect of racing.

[CrAcKaJaP206]

actually that was my fault, i just saw the cobra and automatically assumed you were talkin about a mustang. so sorry about that. I don't know a shit load about cars, but i know enough to get by.

now since we are talkin about the Shelby Cobra, first of all remind me how much it costs for an original one? Yeah a shitload. For the price of one of those, you can easily take an FD, and tune it perfectly for the touge. And why the **** would you take that to the touge?

I mean seriously you're comparing Apples and Oranges here, if a car that costs $300K+ can't beat a skyline(r34 gtr) that cost about $50K, then you'd have a serious ****in' problem.

Maybe i should say an F1 car "tuned for touge" would beat the cobra then huh

[NoHook]

Originally Posted by CrAcKaJaP206

actually that was my fault, i just saw the cobra and automatically assumed you were talkin about a mustang. so sorry about that. I don't know a shit load about cars, but i know enough to get by.

now since we are talkin about the Shelby Cobra, first of all remind me how much it costs for an original one? Yeah a shitload. For the price of one of those, you can easily take an FD, and tune it perfectly for the touge. And why the **** would you take that to the touge?

I mean seriously you're comparing Apples and Oranges here, if a car that costs $300K+ can't beat a skyline(r34 gtr) that cost about $50K, then you'd have a serious ****in' problem.

Maybe i should say an F1 car "tuned for touge" would beat the cobra then huh

Maybe you have a point, maybe you don't, Where did I say original anywhere in there? You can have a shelby cobra replica built for about 24,000 dollars and the highley tuned ones with awsome suspention and big ass brakes and just about all the options you can get are about 50,000. The replicas are just as good as the originals and I believe skylines cost more than 50K, people use those don't they? . Funny thing is a very well built cobra replica can be had for about $24,000 and yes it may have the 302 in it but that 302 would have just as much HP and more torque than that Inline 6 that is in a skyline and weigh 1,000 pounds less. That makes the shelby cobra a better car for half the price. So you put mods on the skyline, then put mods on the cobra, you ar the same place as last time. Cobra whoopin that ass. There is a place near by my house that makes Shelby replicas and do a damn good job and trust me I have riddin in the all options $54,000 cobra replica with a 347 stroker motor and 450 HP at the fly and 390 HP at the wheels N/A and trust me the Skyline has nothing on it and neither does any other import I have seen and I don't mean in a strait line either
About the F1 car you keep bringing up, Whats wrong? you can't think of a STREET car that can beat the Cobra? Funny how I prove the cobra is a better car and you pull out the bang for the buck bullshit only to have it back fire on you. The newer replicas are actually lighter than the originals. So instead of being the 2400 pounds the originals are they are about 2,000. Say the cobra is out of this arguement, what about the Z06 corvette? The Z06 corvette runs better lap times than the skyline does at any track. Surely if the skyline handles good enough for the touge the Z06 does too Hell the C5R Lemans race car uses damn near stock C5 corvette suspention and the Z06 handles better than a C5 so you can't tell me the Z06 can't turn . Look the fact is the whole rest of the world hates american cars and some people tend to believe the BS that other countries and shows say about our cars not being able to turn. I agree , most of our "muscle cars" have lots of understeer , but it is funny they never mention the Cobra's or Z06 vette's in these discussions. No the Z06 doesn't handle as good as a Lotus Elise but it damn sure handles better than a skyline or a Stupra. The newer mustangs turn about as good as a brick on ice and hell no mustang except the Boss 302 ever really turned very good. But the Cobra cars and Z06 are very very good exceptions and trust me I am a ford guy and Hate chevy and for me to mention a Z06's abilities must mean it is an awsome car

[CrAcKaJaP206]

Originally Posted by NoHook

Maybe you have a point, maybe you don't, Where did I say original anywhere in there? You can have a shelby cobra replica built for about 24,000 dollars and the highley tuned ones with awsome suspention and big ass brakes and just about all the options you can get are about 50,000. The replicas are just as good as the originals and I believe skylines cost more than 50K, people use those don't they? . Funny thing is a very well built cobra replica can be had for about $24,000 and yes it may have the 302 in it but that 302 would have just as much HP and more torque than that Inline 6 that is in a skyline and weigh 1,000 pounds less. That makes the shelby cobra a better car for half the price. So you put mods on the skyline, then put mods on the cobra, you ar the same place as last time. Cobra whoopin that ass. There is a place near by my house that makes Shelby replicas and do a damn good job and trust me I have riddin in the all options $54,000 cobra replica with a 347 stroker motor and 450 HP at the fly and 390 HP at the wheels N/A and trust me the Skyline has nothing on it and neither does any other import I have seen and I don't mean in a strait line either
About the F1 car you keep bringing up, Whats wrong? you can't think of a STREET car that can beat the Cobra? Funny how I prove the cobra is a better car and you pull out the bang for the buck bullshit only to have it back fire on you. The newer replicas are actually lighter than the originals. So instead of being the 2400 pounds the originals are they are about 2,000. Say the cobra is out of this arguement, what about the Z06 corvette? The Z06 corvette runs better lap times than the skyline does at any track. Surely if the skyline handles good enough for the touge the Z06 does too Hell the C5R Lemans race car uses damn near stock C5 corvette suspention and the Z06 handles better than a C5 so you can't tell me the Z06 can't turn . Look the fact is the whole rest of the world hates american cars and some people tend to believe the BS that other countries and shows say about our cars not being able to turn. I agree , most of our "muscle cars" have lots of understeer , but it is funny they never mention the Cobra's or Z06 vette's in these discussions. No the Z06 doesn't handle as good as a Lotus Elise but it damn sure handles better than a skyline or a Stupra. The newer mustangs turn about as good as a brick on ice and hell no mustang except the Boss 302 ever really turned very good. But the Cobra cars and Z06 are very very good exceptions and trust me I am a ford guy and Hate chevy and for me to mention a Z06's abilities must mean it is an awsome car

:lol: lol wow, first of all, i never mentioned a F1 car except in my last post to make a ridiculous comparison. Also you're going way off topic now it's not even funny

:lol: also i knew you were gonna mention the replica's lol. So here is what i propose to you, show me a video of a Cobra Replica, on the touge, whoopin' some ass. :lol:

lol i don't know why you think the skyline is the ultimate touge machine, but it's not. I just mentioned the skyline cause you keep on mentioning it. So lets go this route, lets say you buy an S13 or S14 or even an FC for around $5K~$12K. And then lets put the next $19K~$12K into the silvia, which would make it a $24K moded silvia(or FC) vs your replica stock $24K Cobra, and lets put these cars on a Japanese Touge battle(cause after all the topic is about ID right) and lets see who will win. If you think that Cobra is gonna win, you're bullshiting yourself.

Also i just picked up on this, you said "Yes I have seen a ferrari race on the togue there is a video of it somewhere. it is racing against a viper. The viper locks up the brakes and slides off the mountain though "

This isn't close to Touge/ID Style driving, this is just regular ole grip "racing"

http://www.corvettekillstories.com/v...s_ViperGTS.avi

When i'm talkin' about Touge Racing, i'm talkin about this, ID style

http://www.aseclub.net/gallery/album...l_D_Style.mpeg

So here's my bottom line, We're never gonna see any american cars on ID.

[NoHook]

Originally Posted by CrAcKaJaP206

:lol: lol wow, first of all, i never mentioned a F1 car except in my last post to make a ridiculous comparison. Also you're going way off topic now it's not even funny

:lol: also i knew you were gonna mention the replica's lol. So here is what i propose to you, show me a video of a Cobra Replica, on the touge, whoopin' some ass. :lol:

lol i don't know why you think the skyline is the ultimate touge machine, but it's not. I just mentioned the skyline cause you keep on mentioning it. So lets go this route, lets say you buy an S13 or S14 or even an FC for around $5K~$12K. And then lets put the next $19K~$12K into the silvia, which would make it a $24K moded silvia(or FC) vs your replica stock $24K Cobra, and lets put these cars on a Japanese Touge battle(cause after all the topic is about ID right) and lets see who will win. If you think that Cobra is gonna win, you're bullshiting yourself.

Also i just picked up on this, you said "Yes I have seen a ferrari race on the togue there is a video of it somewhere. it is racing against a viper. The viper locks up the brakes and slides off the mountain though "

This isn't close to Touge/ID Style driving, this is just regular ole grip "racing"

http://www.corvettekillstories.com/v...s_ViperGTS.avi

When i'm talkin' about Touge Racing, i'm talkin about this, ID style

http://www.aseclub.net/gallery/album...l_D_Style.mpeg

So here's my bottom line, We're never gonna see any american cars on ID.

You have your opinion, I have mine. I am sticking by my theory that the cobra can win. Will we ever see one on the touge? prolly not, that is why I said "it would be cool to see on an episode of ID" Just admit that the cobra is an all around better car than the RX-7 or whatever it is. I brought up the skyline because the skyline actually competes on the touge and the cobra and Z06 would kill the skyline. Would the cobra be the best touge machine? Prolly not because the driver might not be the best and may not have the most invested in his car. Would the cobra beat a lot of the cars on the touge's ass? Yes it would IMO. Haha Funny you post a link from corvettekillstories.com I posted that link on there . I am banned from that site but trust me I have the video and I agree it isn't anything like the touge, however it is racing on mountain roads and isn't that what the touge is? Anyway back on topic, I would like to see a ID battle between the 86 and the cobra or Ryouski's FD VS the cobra. You are missing some of my point. My point is the cobra is a lighter car than the RX-7,skyline,EVO,WRX,and basically anything else on ID and has more power and also a shorter wheel base so it can turn sharper. It should be obvious that it CAN be a serious competitor. But it really all comes down to the driver. I know what the touge is and all that neat stuff. I love American muscle and would like to see it get just a little respect every now and then

BTW next time you post a touge vid please post a best motoring vid. The vid where they are racing at night is hard to see and I am sure we have all seen it 1,250 times.

[Big Morgan]

what the hell is the difference between the touge and a tarmac rally stage? couldn't Sebastian Loeb (or some other tarmac rally expert) just go to Japan and murder everyone regardless of vehicle? alternatively, wouldn't the best touge-battle car be a rally car? i'm just curious as i really know nothing about drifting other than the back wheels come out like in rallying. so even though i've not seen one episode of ID i guess i'd like to see an episode with a Lancia Delta S4 or Audi Quattro S1 or some other equally insane group b rally machine.

i think the Cobra would have a good shot on a touge/tarmac rally. if you've never seen one up close it is a small car. it is, after all, just a design evolution of the british AC Ace roadster. imagine sticking a 427 into a Miata, almost. the car would retain its lightness and quick steering potential (more or less) yet would have more power than it could possibly use. i understand it seems impossible that something from America could ever compete in such an event, but the Shelby Cobra is a special car. if they ever make an episode of ID with a Cobra vs a Quattro S1 rally car i'd buy it despite my aversion to the anime/japanese animation genre.

[NoHook]

Originally Posted by Big Morgan

what the hell is the difference between the touge and a tarmac rally stage? couldn't Sebastian Loeb (or some other tarmac rally expert) just go to Japan and murder everyone regardless of vehicle? alternatively, wouldn't the best touge-battle car be a rally car? i'm just curious as i really know nothing about drifting other than the back wheels come out like in rallying. so even though i've not seen one episode of ID i guess i'd like to see an episode with a Lancia Delta S4 or Audi Quattro S1 or some other equally insane group b rally machine.

i think the Cobra would have a good shot on a touge/tarmac rally. if you've never seen one up close it is a small car. it is, after all, just a design evolution of the british AC Ace roadster. imagine sticking a 427 into a Miata, almost. the car would retain its lightness and quick steering potential (more or less) yet would have more power than it could possibly use. i understand it seems impossible that something from America could ever compete in such an event, but the Shelby Cobra is a special car. if they ever make an episode of ID with a Cobra vs a Quattro S1 rally car i'd buy it despite my aversion to the anime/japanese animation genre.

I have mentioned the Tarmac rally races with the porsches and exc.. a couple times to this guy and he seems to dodge them every time so I gave up on that argument . Anyway I completely agree with Big Morgan once again. The cobra was Bread to win races and it did just that and mind you these races were not in strait lines

[CrAcKaJaP206]

ok the reason why we have a misunderstanding here is cause you guys obviously know nothing about Initial D. I'm sure that some pro rally driver can murder about 90% of the touge drivers in Japan, if not more. But touge racing is all about street racing with regular ppl with their regular cars. Talkin about rally cars in a street race is retarded.

Are you gonna see a replica cobra go against a drag car and win? Of course not. Any car that is built do a particular thing and has the right driver in it can of course kick pplz ass, but Japanese touge racing is all about your common everyday joe.

I'm assuming that you think that i'm one of those guys that thinks that Imports are the shit, **** everything else. Any car no matter what it is classfied under can kick another cars ass with the right tuning and driver, so get off your give American Muscle some respect bullshit cause i never once said anything bad about American cars.

I mean have you ever watched Initial D?

[NoHook]

Originally Posted by CrAcKaJaP206

ok the reason why we have a misunderstanding here is cause you guys obviously know nothing about Initial D. I'm sure that some pro rally driver can murder about 90% of the touge drivers in Japan, if not more. But touge racing is all about street racing with regular ppl with their regular cars. Talkin about rally cars in a street race is retarded.

Are you gonna see a replica cobra go against a drag car and win? Of course not. Any car that is built do a particular thing and has the right driver in it can of course kick pplz ass, but Japanese touge racing is all about your common everyday joe.

I'm assuming that you think that i'm one of those guys that thinks that Imports are the shit, **** everything else. Any car no matter what it is classfied under can kick another cars ass with the right tuning and driver, so get off your give American Muscle some respect bullshit cause i never once said anything bad about American cars.

I mean have you ever watched Initial D?

Bwahahah Have I ever watched Initial D? Yes I have seen the first and 2nd season like 2 times each as well as the extra stage and the movie. I am also not one of those "American cars can beat everything" guys. I sated the cobra can beat most cars on the touge with a good driver and set up. I have someone that agrees with me you have noone that agrees with you that have posted. Rally cars may not be fair but I didn't bring them up . Will you ever see a cobra on the touge? Prolly not but if they had touge races here in USA I bet you would I never thought you were one of the imports rule people although you give that impression off.

[errelevant]

American cars can't take on the mountain challenge. Hell when do you ever see american car even drift. Did you see the on TLC about the Japan drifters. They tried to make new Pony GTO a drifter which they soon found out they were only good for going staight.

And first Touge racing isn't about which car has most power. Its about lightness and weight distribution of the car. Why do you think MR2 are one of dominate cars in touge. I'm not saying Japanese cars are the best cars in the world but you just don't take a car that is 3600 pounds plus with horrible weight distribution to turn as good as a car that is 2000 pounds with 50/50 weight distribution. Its like a fat man trying to climb a mountain faster than a light man but they will definately fall faster than a skinner dude.

Im an American but their are some thing were good at and there thing Japans good at. America has different history of origins of the car which roots back to drag racing and Japan roots back to drifting and mountain passes.

[A|pine]

Yes, a cobra could take on a japanese car, but personally who would import one to japan just for the touge? And what rally driver from europe would fly all the way over to japan just to take on a tofu delivery boy.

Yes yes a cobra is fast and maneuverable, but it will never appear in intial d because initial d represents the japanese culture of drifting, just like the american culture of NASCAR. Im assuming there are no imports in NASCAR, as I do not watch it. Imports in NASCAR Yes, No?