Ford Shelby GT500 Twin Turbo

[UKunt]

Ford vs GM.. who is the kunt face?

[05BLKSTANG]

If you disagree that's fine. I know you were joking around, trust me I can take one also.
Now, the MSRP thing in my opinion does not go out the window for a few simple facts.
1st- The reason why the Mustang is around is because of it's MSRP.
When GM discontinued the Camaro, the V6 Camaro was the same price here as a Mustang GT. Gee I wonder what I'd buy if I could afford that money?
2nd- Theres freaks out there with 1000hp cars, no doubt. This question goes out to everyone, wheres your 1000hp ride?
If your going to base your arguement on purchasing a vechile what you can do to it, with substancial (and you can define substancial in your terms) amounts of money, fine, but not me.
3rd- I think I'm like most people here, you got your ride and probably don't mind dunping in $5K to $8K USD into it (when it's paid off) to have big power, but at the end of the day it STILL has to be a daily driver.

Lastly modding Mustangs is alot cheaper than others.
The 03/ 04 or 2006+ Cobras. Motors are already built, swamping out chargers gives 250 RWHP for the 04's and 350RWHP for the 06 + at $6k USD.
Dont believe me check out Kenne bells website. They also build chargers for LS1's.
That's a steal.

Originally Posted by 01mmmz28

^ sorry if you disagree dude, thats your God given right to do so. My original response was a joke and a poke ( at ford ) if you cannot handle that then leave, simple as that. I take shit all the time for riding around in a noisy ass mullet machine, so.....

and the ol' MSRP argument can take a flying leap out the window once you have modded cars, now the cost of modding might come into play, but if you want to play that game lets add the MSRP and the cost of mods and the net HP outcomes and fastest times and I think your tune will change.

[05BLKSTANG]

That picks gross

Originally Posted by UKunt

Ford vs GM.. who is the kunt face?

[UKunt]

Originally Posted by 05BLKSTANG

That picks gross

lol i can agree with you on that.....

[01mmmz28]

Originally Posted by 05BLKSTANG

If you disagree that's fine. I know you were joking around, trust me I can take one also.
Now, the MSRP thing in my opinion does not go out the window for a few simple facts.
1st- The reason why the Mustang is around is because of it's MSRP.
When GM discontinued the Camaro, the V6 Camaro was the same price here as a Mustang GT. Gee I wonder what I'd buy if I could afford that money?
2nd- Theres freaks out there with 1000hp cars, no doubt. This question goes out to everyone, wheres your 1000hp ride?
If your going to base your arguement on purchasing a vechile what you can do to it, with substancial (and you can define substancial in your terms) amounts of money, fine, but not me.
3rd- I think I'm like most people here, you got your ride and probably don't mind dunping in $5K to $8K USD into it (when it's paid off) to have big power, but at the end of the day it STILL has to be a daily driver.



Lastly modding Mustangs is alot cheaper than others.
The 03/ 04 or 2006+ Cobras. Motors are already built, swamping out chargers gives 250 RWHP for the 04's and 350RWHP for the 06 + at $6k USD.
Dont believe me check out Kenne bells website. They also build chargers for LS1's.
That's a steal.

1st: the stang is still around because of one simple reason: it sells to more WOMEN than the camaro did, v6 stangs are the #1 seller for the mustang dept w/ over 1/2 the sales going to girls. The camaro was not entirerly cancelled due to sales, it has a lot to do w/ the fact that the plant in canada had to be closed and that a new plant to build the car would have taken 3 years to build and costs into the billions, sorry thats the fact.

2nd: Yes MSRP can be thrown out the window once modding starts.....who cares what originally cost when a 50K stang w/ 15k in mods can be beaten like a fool by a integra w/ turbo(s) and the right set up for 1/3 the price or even less....besides YOU brought up the MSRP thingy anyways...doh!!!!

3rd: anyone w/ a brain knows that if you are dumping big $$ into a sports car/muscle car you will MOST LIKELY NOT daily drive the damn thing because it is a nightmare on gas and sometimes it loses a lot of street manors, that is why I have a honda civic as a dd beater car....not that my camaro is by any means a drag car or really fast for that matter, it just sucks up gas.

4th: you don't need to try to inform me w/ stats and such about kenny belle / whipple / vortec / procharger / magnacharger / APS / STS / or a number of any others, as I know all about FI and have helped install a few FI applications and am well aware of what they will do.

[05BLKSTANG]

1st- Yes there is a large chunk of consumers that are women who generally buy the V6 Mustang, but who cares it selling, that's the MAIN POINT and is still around.
2nd- Sorry your incorrect about the plant issue. I followed very closely when GM announced it's clouser. To close the plant GM SPECIFICALLY had to prove to the CAW (Canadian Automobile Workers Union) and our government that there was NO MARKET for the car PERIOD.
The province of Quebec/ Canada had offered to substaized (as do US States) the auto plant to stay open, GM declined period.
This may shock you, but I'm was not happy when they discontuined the car, but that's what happened.
3rd- I think you did not understand me.
True you can make anything go fast if you dump enough cash into it.
Now I dont expect everyone to do what I do, for me and am sure the overwhelming people on this site 1st want a nice car, whatever it maybe. Then dump some cash into it to make it go faster, all along keeping it able to be used as a daily driver.
I personally can afford a new Mustang, Camaro, Challenger next year.
Or I can take that cash and make my ride way faster,
Or sell it and buy an Integra to go around schooling V8's (even thou i'll have multiple headaches doing so and the car will probably get 100mi per tank of gas and not be street legal).
See the point.
Anyone reading this can make there choice, my choice is having a New car every 4 years.
It's nice to see 1000RWHP V8's but thats it.
I've never based by choice of vechile on its ability to make insane HP, with big time "x" dollars.
4th- Whatever you did to your ride, and have to drive a civic cause you cant afford or due not want to spend the cash on gas, IS NOT a very wise move in my opinion.
Believe me, I drive my Stang everwhere when winters out and if I KB it, thats not going to stop me. I didnt buy my ride to brag I got one and keep it in the garage.
5th- I wasnt trying to inform you of superchargers, just letting any one whos reading this, the HP gains compared to cost on Fords.

Originally Posted by 01mmmz28

1st: the stang is still around because of one simple reason: it sells to more WOMEN than the camaro did, v6 stangs are the #1 seller for the mustang dept w/ over 1/2 the sales going to girls. The camaro was not entirerly cancelled due to sales, it has a lot to do w/ the fact that the plant in canada had to be closed and that a new plant to build the car would have taken 3 years to build and costs into the billions, sorry thats the fact.

2nd: Yes MSRP can be thrown out the window once modding starts.....who cares what originally cost when a 50K stang w/ 15k in mods can be beaten like a fool by a integra w/ turbo(s) and the right set up for 1/3 the price or even less....besides YOU brought up the MSRP thingy anyways...doh!!!!

3rd: anyone w/ a brain knows that if you are dumping big $$ into a sports car/muscle car you will MOST LIKELY NOT daily drive the damn thing because it is a nightmare on gas and sometimes it loses a lot of street manors, that is why I have a honda civic as a dd beater car....not that my camaro is by any means a drag car or really fast for that matter, it just sucks up gas.

4th: you don't need to try to inform me w/ stats and such about kenny belle / whipple / vortec / procharger / magnacharger / APS / STS / or a number of any others, as I know all about FI and have helped install a few FI applications and am well aware of what they will do.

[EVILZ33]

oo got my popcorn ready for this one

[05BLKSTANG]

Get extra popcorn for this;

Here's where GM F-Bodies sales were down 53% in the last 10 years.

mediaOnline

Here's where you'll find what our government tried to do to keep it open. Even after the Camaro was discontinued it took 3+ years to tear the plant down.

2007 Chevrolet Camaro - Featured Vehicles - Popular Hot Rodding Magazine

Originally Posted by EVILZ33

oo got my popcorn ready for this one

[Memphis]

Didn't the Cobra's start out at like 33k? Damn near 10k more than a Z28.

[05BLKSTANG]

Yes and No.

The Cobra was a little cheaper MSRP vs MSRP equally equipped than the SS Camaro.
However the Z28 was about $2000 CDN or $1400 USD cheaper.
Now you might think how do I know this.

In 2001 I was looking at buying the Camaro. Couldn't afford it (well mainly cause the insurance) so bought another car.
2004 rolls around wanted to get a V8, checked out the Cobra's pricing, decided to wait until 05 for the Stang cause I loved it.

Not to knock GM, but on there F-Body's there were options that dimed you to get, just to make your car liveable.
I was surprised at there advertised number and what it actually came out to.
The one option that sticks out was, if you didn't get the 17" wheels option, than your car came equipped with 16's and governed at 100mi/ hr

Originally Posted by Memphis

Didn't the Cobra's start out at like 33k? Damn near 10k more than a Z28.

[American Psycho]

who cares

[Memphis]

The 03 Cobra the one you started the MSRP argument with was still more than the top of the line SS

[01mmmz28]

^^No the cobra 03/04 was NOT cheaper in any way than an SS OR WS6 equpied LS1 car, the fbody was upper 20's and a cobra couldn't be had for less than 33-34k sometimes even more depending on the consumer wants in a certain demographic area. Any why do you say my buying a civic as a dd is a bad move?? Smart move IMO.....it saves gas, costs less(paid 500 bucks for it) keeps miles off the camaro, and it makes me appreciate driving the camaro more when I do drive it. Since November of 2007 I have only put 3,2xx miles on the camaro, now I have a 2001 car w/ 80k miles, not that bad IMO either. If you DD your stang, good for you, people buy cars to drive them, but I bought mine to drive/mod/conserve it. Different strokes for different folks. and you also need to get your fact straight about the camaro/ t/a. : if you got a car equipped w/ NON z rated tires from the factory it was speed limited to 121 mph, nothing that a simple tune didn't take care of, and the Z rated tire equipped cars were limited to 158mph ( well above any comparable stang) and w/ tuning and depending on the gearing it came w/ stock, speeds of 178 mph have been achieved. I t WAS not because they had 16" or 17" rims differences. I too looked at a GT stang in the year 2000 and drove it 1st : 5 speed GT loaded: good upright eating position, comfortable, shifter sucked, power or lack there of was BS. 2nd that day I drove a 2000 Z/28 that was loaded w/ leather and t-tops all power options and it was actually sticker priced $2300 cheaper than the stang: driving position was a tad low and hard to see the front of the car when parking, shifter was smooth ( stock hurst ) and the power output was a night and day difference between the 2 cars....THAT is what sold me. True gear heads don't give 2 shits about small things in cars like seating and what not.....the power was there for the fbody, not there w/ the stang......fbody was my clear choice. Hell I used to think that driving my mothers 1993 5.0L LX was the heat and it was fast...LOL...maybe back then, but getting out of that and into my car now is like hell to heaven.

[bmxer99]

i just farted. and it reminded me of this thread.

[97talon]

I would comment but I don't want him to pick on me neon anymore.