2007 Ford Mustang Shelby GT vs 2008 Subaru Impreza WRX STI

[Memphis]

They are located in Texas not Canadia. Below are a couple more liars I guess along with an article from Muscle Mustangs & Fast Fords.


M6 Cam Only
Stock LS1 Motor (Stock LS1 Heads)
TTP Equalizer V.2 Camshaft
ASP UD Pulley
10-Bolt 3.42s

M6 Cam Only
222/222 112lsa
LS6 Intake
ASP UD Pulley
Moser 12-Bolt 4.11s

[mattlikespeople]

haha, taken straight from a ford magazine. I dont understand why it's so damn hard for the ford guys to just accept that the chevy powertrain is simply more potent? Numbers from many many sources cant all be wrong

[01mmmz28]

He is a jealous, undereducated, non-car guy. If he was, he would know his competition, and the fact is.he does not. Sad that my "discontinued car" can still whoop the shit out of the current ford offerings. What is sad is that it takes ford so long to even produce an NA engine that makes 300 crank HP and then dynos a stunning 250 rwhp......that is a joke that has had us GM guys laughing in your faces for a while now. Even more sad is that a 1998 Z/28 or T/A in stock form can biotch slap the newest ford stang GT. Keep up your non-beleiving ass, go to your other stang forums and I am sure the educated ones ( if there are any ) will tell you that a bolt-on, cam only, or H/C LS1 will clean your clock something bad. You made the wrong choice, deal w/ it that your new car is a slow ass turd.

[97talon]

Lol @ everyone.

[Ford88]

Dude that guy is utterly ignorant in every thread he posts in..... the truth is LS1 > 4.6 sohc, or dohc, 2v, 3v, and 4v. Face it you retard, I mean honestly, its one thing to still drive a ford like me, but to be completely oblivious to the competition is just down right stupid. Not only that but you create a war every time someone shows you the truth. Yes, a bone stock 98 z28 will bend you over (an a4 at that), yes, they dyno as much if not more than what they are advertised, and yes, they are mod friendly. Your car is slow live with it.


but ls1's still are a ***** to work on , I know I've done it before, H/C swap

[mattlikespeople]

Originally Posted by Ford88

but ls1's still are a ***** to work on , I know I've done it before, H/C swap

guess it's worth the effort <---wtf is this and why?

thank you for having some form of common sense. I personally like both ford and gm but know which is going to be faster almost all the time.

[Ford88]

yeah i know they are faster but i just love my interior and convertible and the way they sound

[05BLKSTANG]

Just to settle this arguement;
1st- You talked about athis V6 Camaro with its 3.8L kicking all this ass. I own a 3.8L Bonneville as a winter beater (which is about the same weight as the Camaro), my friend (which I see every week) owns a 3.8L Supercharged Grand Prix. Nice/ Reliable cars, but fall way short of what you say thay can do.
2nd- I know a few people who have Camaros, and dyno'd them. Another person Ray-sir, on this forum has scene them dyno'd. What I posted before is the truth, and also about peoples cars who are on this site.
3rd- Your the one who started the BS, like I said before this blog was about the STI vs Mustang, and I responded accordingly.
4th- From my previous post you'll see that I have said, and still say, the cars in the USA are running faster than over here.
5th- My info comes from what has been dynod over here, scene at the track etc.
6th- Lastly your the JEALOUS KID on this forum. When anyone complaiments, talks about another ride, your the first to start BS. I could have bought your ride and saved alot of money, and as posted before had given my reasons.
YES, every time theres a post you just have to come on and shoot off your month. Your the JEALOUS KID with his CAMARO COMPLEX. Grow up.

Originally Posted by 01mmmz28

He is a jealous, undereducated, non-car guy. If he was, he would know his competition, and the fact is.he does not. Sad that my "discontinued car" can still whoop the shit out of the current ford offerings. What is sad is that it takes ford so long to even produce an NA engine that makes 300 crank HP and then dynos a stunning 250 rwhp......that is a joke that has had us GM guys laughing in your faces for a while now. Even more sad is that a 1998 Z/28 or T/A in stock form can biotch slap the newest ford stang GT. Keep up your non-beleiving ass, go to your other stang forums and I am sure the educated ones ( if there are any ) will tell you that a bolt-on, cam only, or H/C LS1 will clean your clock something bad. You made the wrong choice, deal w/ it that your new car is a slow ass turd.

[05BLKSTANG]

1st- Have I come across as a magazine racer, regardless if the info comes from a Ford or GM source?
2nd- Althou this info has come from a FORD source, as I said before I HAVE NOT SCENE IT DONE.
3rd- Do you expect me to believe some article (again I have to say who cares which source it is) vs what I HAVE PERSONALLY SCENE with my friends car?
4th- Like I said before you have to take everything with a gram of salt. Lets say the article is correct, other factors such as, is it feasible to run on the road. Meaning, it makes the power but you get 60mpt (t=tank)? There are unknown varibles. The only person I have scene who can, think outside the box, pick up also on these things is STIvsSVT.
Example: I have scene Civics run crazy time low 12s. Yes the Civic did that, but I could not classify that car that got towed in, only did three (3) runs, non- street legal as a FEASIBLE/ daily driving CAR.
Like the orignal post STI vs Stang, i pointed out that the tires played a very important role, not saying that the Stang lost because of it, but would have been a better comparison.

This last comment is not directed to you, from being on this site there are VERY limited people who are, willing to discuss blogs in a mature, truthful manner.

Originally Posted by Memphis

They are located in Texas not Canadia. Below are a couple more liars I guess along with an article from Muscle Mustangs & Fast Fords.


M6 Cam Only
Stock LS1 Motor (Stock LS1 Heads)
TTP Equalizer V.2 Camshaft
ASP UD Pulley
10-Bolt 3.42s

M6 Cam Only
222/222 112lsa
LS6 Intake
ASP UD Pulley
Moser 12-Bolt 4.11s

[05BLKSTANG]

Just noticed something. Unlike evryone else I'm not as much as much of a high roller.
The atricle is dated in 2001., where it states the SS Camaro has 321 RWHP (not the regular one) and topped out in price with leather 29-large.
In 2003 when Ford responded to the Camaro SS with the supercharged Cobra, they were equal in price and the Cobra 373RWHP.
I know it may be hard for some people, but try and put the equal car in $$$ when comparing vechiles from two manufacturers.

[05BLKSTANG]

This is my last post on the subject, until someone else posts something worth discussing. A few minutes ago I posted that althou the dyno on the Camaro could be true, however their were unknown variables.
Check out this link, where the 05 Stang made 406RWHP. Althou it made the POWER (if you believe it) they are the first ones to tell you it's right now NOT STREETABLE.
Like I said before take everything with a grain of salt, unless your there or know all the variables.

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[ray_sir_6]

Originally Posted by 01mmmz28

^ whatever dude, I have more than likely seen more LS1 cars dyno than you have, and the ONLY one to not break the 300 mark was a stock 1999 auto T/A and it made 290. Mine, bone stock made 301rwhp, SAE corrected. So, from what you are saying then, there are well over 10,000 members on ls1tech and alot have posted stock, bolt-on, cam only, heads and cam #'s, blower #'s.....so all the dynos were "messed" with to make them look better? LMAO, yeah right. and yo say a turbo LS1 car only made 430rwhp, yeah a stock car besides the small turbo. Go to the STS turbo site and see what a untuned single turbo LS1 car makes on 4-5 psi of boost..430ish, add tuning, turbo cam, meth, fuel system upgrades, bolt-ons and I have seen them make 550rwhp on 8 psi......impressive if you ask me, since that boost is still low as shit.

what I find sad is that ford can't make power unless they used forced induction, even then they still don't put up the track times to back up the power claims nor do they back those #'s up on the dyno. Sad when the last time I was at our local dyno, a 2006 GT stang w/ tuning and full bolt-ons made 311 rwhp, then the next car up was a bone stock 2002 SS 6 speed and it laid out 319 rwhp.....the look on the stang guys face was PRICELESS.....he packed his shit and went home. LOL. Same dyno, same conditions, only 15 min. time difference....that was all, no "dyno messing".

ALL DYNOS READ DIFFERENT. Only true comparision would be between 2 cars on the same dyno on the same day. Even then the readings can be skewed by temp changes from the morning to the evening. I only said that OUR DYNO has never seen over 275whp on a stock LS1. Do we do ALOT of V8s? Not really, but the local rear turbo shop tunes his cars on our dyno, and 430whp is typical for a TUNED low boost setup. He only does about 1-2 cars a week. The IMPORTANT part of my previous post was CORRECTION FACTOR. You said SAE Corrected 301whp...that can ADD FAKE WHP. You can "adjust" the correction factors to make it appear to have more whp. All of my numbers are UNCORRECTED....meaning it only uses the RAW NUMBERS that was read from the drum. With the "friendliest" correction factor, that same 275whp made 333whp. If you owned a shop and wanted to get more business, where would you set yours?

[01mmmz28]

^ no, because giving false readings will reflect w/ track times. what is so hard for you guys to comprehend? I have seen cars on the same dyno, been to "dyno days" where the dyno gets calibrated every 15 runs and cars still crank out the power. And SAE corrections TAKE OUT factors that add in HP, they do not add in the power. SAE correction gives you more of a power level that you feel on the street. A "mustang" dyno is one that typically reads lower and you have to add in factors to get a correct reading. A properly calibrated dyno jet on sae corrections gives you the real world hp figure. and I think what you are thinking of as "messing" w/ dyno #'s are people actually tuning on the car.....adding or taking out timing, adding or leaning out fuel, those 2 things under different applications can add power, but it is far from messing w/ the real #'s, as the tuning for those variables can and will make a huge difference in power levels.

[ray_sir_6]

Originally Posted by 01mmmz28

I think what you are thinking of as "messing" w/ dyno #'s are people actually tuning on the car.....adding or taking out timing, adding or leaning out fuel, those 2 things under different applications can add power, but it is far from messing w/ the real #'s, as the tuning for those variables can and will make a huge difference in power levels.

You work at a shop with a dyno? Didn't think so. You can adjust some parameters on the same program that allows you to view/make/print the dyno sheet. They have a drop down menu that specificly says "CORRECTION FACTOR". There are 5 different settings there that will increase the whp on the dyno chart. You can also change air temp, baro, etc. Any of those can be "adjusted" to raise the whp numbers. The dyno will still save the file using the ACTUAL WHP figures, but you change the defaults in the computer to make it show the higher numbers instead of the RAW numbers. I have played with these options PERSONALLY on our computer, and I showed the adjustment possible by getting a 275whp LS1 up to 333whp with nothing but the dyno program.

[05BLKSTANG]

Dyno this dyno that.
This blog was never about the LS1, nor did anyone diss the LS1.
We're not kids if you say you've seen the below, I'm not going to tell you that your eyes are playing tricks or the dyno is off and that goes vice versa.
When i go to the track this year, I'll run my car and whatever it does it does. You can be sure I'll post EXACTLY what it did, and if it falls short of the LS1 than IT DOES.
To bad over here;
- Were running slower times (maybe cause of altitude which can also affect HP)
- Dont have a friend with a Camaro that isn't heavily modded, then we could compare day for day.

Originally Posted by 01mmmz28

^ no, because giving false readings will reflect w/ track times. what is so hard for you guys to comprehend? I have seen cars on the same dyno, been to "dyno days" where the dyno gets calibrated every 15 runs and cars still crank out the power. And SAE corrections TAKE OUT factors that add in HP, they do not add in the power. SAE correction gives you more of a power level that you feel on the street. A "mustang" dyno is one that typically reads lower and you have to add in factors to get a correct reading. A properly calibrated dyno jet on sae corrections gives you the real world hp figure. and I think what you are thinking of as "messing" w/ dyno #'s are people actually tuning on the car.....adding or taking out timing, adding or leaning out fuel, those 2 things under different applications can add power, but it is far from messing w/ the real #'s, as the tuning for those variables can and will make a huge difference in power levels.