camaro vs. laser

[JUMUNGUS]

..someone got smoked like turkey bacon! Nice race vid! Love it. Keep it comin'....

[NoHook]

Originally Posted by 90TSIAWD

They can be plenty reliable, just depends what level you take em to and how much time you put into what should be regular maintanence. DSM drivers just like pushing things (boost is freakin addictive) so naturally under 20 lbs or more of boost, things are gunna start breaking, and given the circumstances most dsm engines are under, it's impressive how well those cast iron beasts hold up. Very few engines could out pass the 4g63 in reliability under that much boost and with awd drivetrains that are 10 or more years old.

Hmm sounds like one of those things a Rotary guy would say. Are you a DSM Rotard?

[DSMTurbo98GST]

I like. The laser is pretty ****in quick , guy needs to learn how to shift though.

[90TSIAWD]

Originally Posted by NoHook

Hmm sounds like one of those things a Rotary guy would say. Are you a DSM Rotard?

Yeah... I'm a ... rotard... wtf?!?

[new_formula_S2K]

u guys are gunna kill me but what does DSM even mean?

[stump1000]

It means Diamond Star Motors. I think the guys in the laser was just playing with the camaro. Im sure he could have shifted it faster than that.

[1SlowDSM]

He was being gentle to his tranny...haha. I would to, if I didnt want anything to break. I like the part where he waited for the camaro and then floored it to end it. I wish my third gear was that good...my third gear didnt hold up to those v8s at the track, but I got them in 1st and 2nd...good enough for me..haha.

[zenjoe]

Originally Posted by NoHook

Hmm sounds like one of those things a Rotary guy would say. Are you a DSM Rotard?

What is that supposed to mean? Put 20 lbs of boost into any engine and see how long it will last. I only know of a few that will survive that kind of boost on totally stock internals reliably:
DSM 4g63
Nissan sr20
Nissan vg30dett
Nissan RB20det, RB25det, RB26dett
Toyota 1jz
Toyota 3sgte
Mazda 13bt rotary.
VW 1.8t

There are a few more. I have never seen an american made motor make it with that kind of boost. maybe a dodge srt-4 will do it (which is a variation in the mistu 420a motor). Honda/acura engines wont do it. Small/big block gm/ford/mopar wont do it.

[American Psycho]

Originally Posted by zenjoe

What is that supposed to mean? Put 20 lbs of boost into any engine and see how long it will last. I only know of a few that will survive that kind of boost on totally stock internals reliably:
DSM 4g63
Nissan sr20
Nissan vg30dett
Nissan RB20det, RB25det, RB26dett
Toyota 1jz
Toyota 3sgte
Mazda 13bt rotary.
VW 1.8t

There are a few more. I have never seen an american made motor make it with that kind of boost. maybe a dodge srt-4 will do it (which is a variation in the mistu 420a motor). Honda/acura engines wont do it. Small/big block gm/ford/mopar wont do it.

Ford 302 1987-1993 5.0L blocks handle 500hp STOCK INTERNAL
WITH or WITH OUT boost


get your facts straight

[zenjoe]

I said "what engines will stand up to 20+ lbs of boost," not what will make 500hp.

If you want highest horspower done regularly on stock internals, here are a few examples:

Nissan vg30det (3.0L V6) will hold up at 550hp at the wheels
Toyota 1JZ (3.0L I6) will hold 700hp+ at the wheels
Nissan RB26dett (2.6L I6) will go 700hp+ at the wheels
Mazda 13bt (1.3L Rotary) 550hp at the wheels

Notice that all these are over 500hp, all are at the wheels, all are around half the displacement of your ford 5.0.

If you know a lot about all types of engines, you will see that "ricer" engines may be small, but they can pack a punch. Ever see an SR20 connecting rod compared to a Chevy Pink rod? You will see that even though the nissan rod is going into an engine that is less than half of the size of the mouse motor, the rod is amazingly beefy.

As for me, I am not a muscle car guy, I am not a ricer. I don't have a bias towards either one. Just standing back looking at all the muscle car guys say how shitty import stuff is, and all the import guys saying how shitty the domestic stuff is.

[dragracingdemon]

The 1985 Buick Gran National V6 can take 25 psi of boost on stock internals. My friend is constantly running 25 psi, the only mods done to his Gran National is heavyer fuel injectors, VR racing intake manifold, Sparco intercooler, a custom burnt computer, larger turbo (that is all he will tell me about the turbo cause he wants to spank my Nova and he dosent want me knowing his little secret), and a shift kit. Ford 5.0 motors have forged pistons and rods along with a forged steel crank and will make more then 500 hp with stock internals. I have seen Mustangs with stock internals running as much as 18 psi of boost on a daily driven car. I am sure that they could hit and run at 20 psi.

[zenjoe]

buick GN, forgot about that one! That is one helluva motor too. Isn't that the same motor GM put into the gmc syclone and typhoon?

[American Psycho]

like i said

stock 302 can handle 500hp on internals from the factory:
now the fuel supply is a different topic

[Haakon]

skyline(rb26dett) and supra(2jzgte) engines can handle about 600 hp on stock internales!

[USofaKinWeTodEd]

yay another video of some import that's been modded horribly with a retard driving it.
And hey look! Camaro shifts to 2nd and lets off cause Mr.Laser driver forgot to install his carbon fiber shift knob for those EL33T $l-lIfTz!