My Talon vs. 95 Viper

[robz95xj]

Originally Posted by matt2244

nive video only thing is they did not make a srt-10 viper in 1995 only the new one's from 2004 on are srt-10's.

Were did you see antthing about a SRT-10
1st gen RT/10's were made 1992- 1995
2nd gen RT/10's were made 1997-2002
There were no RT/10's made in 1996
GTS Coupes were made 1996-2002
SRT-10's were made 2003-present

[Sinisfun]

Hey don't you post on 780 tuners????

Yep that's me.

Were did you see antthing about a SRT-10

I made a mistake and called it an SRT-10 in the title of the video, and in the title of the threads I posted, it was my mistake, there's a guy in town with an SRT-10 Dodge Ram that I was supposed to race, and I guess I just got that stuck in my head.

[river]

Originally Posted by Sinisfun

60 trim Turbonetics T3/T4
6 bolt engine swap
and pretty much all the supporting mods.

damn, your car is slow with that 12.7 @109. my car would own you with only a 16g on it. i ran an 11.91 @ 115 on pump gas spraying alot of alcohol and would only be better with race gas. either you dont know **** about DSM's/tuning and dont know that the 60 trim is way too big for a 2.0 and that the 2.0 does not have near enough displacement for that 60 trim...or you just like being slow. that 60 trim would be fitting on a 2.3l or a 2.4...but take that slug off of the 2.0 and go to a 50 trim of some sort.

[Sinisfun]

Originally Posted by river

damn, your car is slow with that 12.7 @109. my car would own you with only a 16g on it. i ran an 11.91 @ 115 on pump gas spraying alot of alcohol and would only be better with race gas. either you dont know **** about DSM's/tuning and dont know that the 60 trim is way too big for a 2.0 and that the 2.0 does not have near enough displacement for that 60 trim...or you just like being slow. that 60 trim would be fitting on a 2.3l or a 2.4...but take that slug off of the 2.0 and go to a 50 trim of some sort.

You're my hero.

[river]

oh great, a sarcastic, know it all comment. go do some reasearch newbie. find a turbo that suits your needs and doesnt spool at 5 grand for a whole thousand RPM powerband that you have.

[Sinisfun]

When I ran 12.7 I was only running at 18psi, I haven't yet tried anything higher, I'm sure when I start learning more about tuning I will have no problem getting a lot faster. What I don't need is some ******* who thinks that he knows everything telling me what I should or should not run on my car, if I want advice for my 4G63 I'll ask someone that I know has a good understanding of these engines, not just some guy trying to sound big on the internet.

[river]

Originally Posted by Sinisfun

When I ran 12.7 I was only running at 18psi, I haven't yet tried anything higher, I'm sure when I start learning more about tuning I will have no problem getting a lot faster. What I don't need is some ******* who thinks that he knows everything telling me what I should or should not run on my car, if I want advice for my 4G63 I'll ask someone that I know has a good understanding of these engines, not just some guy trying to sound big on the internet.

HAHA, your ignorance amuses me. look, dip****, im the one who ran in 11's on a 16g flowing 44lb.'s of air per minute at 25 psi of boost. that turbo your running is designed to run over 50lb.'s of air per minute, comparing my 500cfm setup to your 700cfm setup is asinine in most cases, however in this case its acceptable. im just trying to tell you how to run faster. you will never break into the high or even mid 11's on that turbo and may be lucky to get it into the low 12's. sure, if you spray enough nitrous to get that turbo spooled, it would be a beast, but your for sure not going to get that thing to spool any other way on a 2.0 liter. that turbo is designed for large amounts of nitrous, or more displacement, i.e. the 2.3l stroker, or a 2.4l block. i dont claim to know everything, but i garuntee i know a hell of alot more than your other average DSM'er and probly most of your sources you go to. i wouldnt be suprized if you classify some douche bag you met on DSMtuners.com to be intelligent. anybody who knows jack about a DSM will tell you that the 60 trim is way too big to even do anything. chances are you will never be able to run more boost with that thing because it has no place to go, no big displacement in your engine to use it. you will end up getting the same airflow #'s at 25psi as at 30psi in the end. you want to be fast in the QM and fast on the street on PUMP GAS, get a fifty trim, they are easy to tune for and produce mass amounts of air...perfect for the 2.0l engine. i would suggest a 16g up to a 20g for really quick spool up times, but i garuntee you are not smart enough to ever flow enough air, or get enough of a tune on one to get it into the 11's. your turbo of choice would be a 50 trim, easy to get into the 11's with even on a fairly crappy tune...but you at least have to know how to drive well first off. what was your reaction time and your 60ft. time on that run? anyway, be ignorant and call me stupid...i garuntee if you ever get a DSMlink setup and get on the forums you will see my name around and learn how amazing it is and extremely rare it is to run 11's on a 16g using pump gas.

[wraithevolution]

Originally Posted by river

HAHA, your ignorance amuses me. look, dip****, im the one who ran in 11's on a 16g flowing 44lb.'s of air per minute at 25 psi of boost. that turbo your running is designed to run over 50lb.'s of air per minute, comparing my 500cfm setup to your 700cfm setup is asinine in most cases, however in this case its acceptable. im just trying to tell you how to run faster. you will never break into the high or even mid 11's on that turbo and may be lucky to get it into the low 12's. sure, if you spray enough nitrous to get that turbo spooled, it would be a beast, but your for sure not going to get that thing to spool any other way on a 2.0 liter. that turbo is designed for large amounts of nitrous, or more displacement, i.e. the 2.3l stroker, or a 2.4l block. i dont claim to know everything, but i garuntee i know a hell of alot more than your other average DSM'er and probly most of your sources you go to. i wouldnt be suprized if you classify some douche bag you met on DSMtuners.com to be intelligent. anybody who knows jack about a DSM will tell you that the 60 trim is way too big to even do anything. chances are you will never be able to run more boost with that thing because it has no place to go, no big displacement in your engine to use it. you will end up getting the same airflow #'s at 25psi as at 30psi in the end. you want to be fast in the QM and fast on the street on PUMP GAS, get a fifty trim, they are easy to tune for and produce mass amounts of air...perfect for the 2.0l engine. i would suggest a 16g up to a 20g for really quick spool up times, but i garuntee you are not smart enough to ever flow enough air, or get enough of a tune on one to get it into the 11's. your turbo of choice would be a 50 trim, easy to get into the 11's with even on a fairly crappy tune...but you at least have to know how to drive well first off. what was your reaction time and your 60ft. time on that run? anyway, be ignorant and call me stupid...i garuntee if you ever get a DSMlink setup and get on the forums you will see my name around and learn how amazing it is and extremely rare it is to run 11's on a 16g using pump gas.

Are you a grown adult? You don't sound like one, you have the attitude of a child. Keep talking smack like that for no reason and I "guarantee" you'll get this thread locked.

[river]

Originally Posted by wraithevolution

Are you a grown adult? You don't sound like one, you have the attitude of a child. Keep talking smack like that for no reason and I "guarantee" you'll get this thread locked.

thread locked for stating technical facts?? i dont think so, buddy. i am a grown adult, im 20 years old. all i am simply doing is stating how he can make his car faster against that viper next time. he is one of the DSM newbies who really doesnt know anything about them and just went and bought the largest turbo possible for one of these cars cause, "they make you go fast, yo...and it has a wicked spool up sound". he has no idea of the drawbacks of a large turbo like that and has no idea of the benefits he could have by going to a smaller turbo. either way, makes no difference to me...i would like to have him make a vid of me racing him...all that would be in it is his in car view of my taillights 4 car lengths ahead of him, then also i would have the bragging rights to how i whooped up on a car with a turbo twice the size of mine.

[wraithevolution]

Originally Posted by river

thread locked for stating technical facts?? i dont think so, buddy. i am a grown adult, im 20 years old. all i am simply doing is stating how he can make his car faster against that viper next time. he is one of the DSM newbies who really doesnt know anything about them and just went and bought the largest turbo possible for one of these cars cause, "they make you go fast, yo...and it has a wicked spool up sound". he has no idea of the drawbacks of a large turbo like that and has no idea of the benefits he could have by going to a smaller turbo. either way, makes no difference to me...i would like to have him make a vid of me racing him...all that would be in it is his in car view of my taillights 4 car lengths ahead of him, then also i would have the bragging rights to how i whooped up on a car with a turbo twice the size of mine.

Then why not be civil and just speak helpfully? And not chastise and belittle him with cursing. I myself am a DSM'r and have been to lots of get together's and nobody ever talks like that to each other. Help without attacking, much more respectful. I don't have the perfect setup on my car either but I also don't street race.

[Sinisfun]

I don't really feel like reading all that, if I just say you win will you stop? I bought this Turbo for cheap from a friend, it's what I've got, it's what I'm going to keep because I've put enough money into my Talon, my real goal for this summer is getting my bike into the 9's, so far my best time was a 10.4 @ 141mph, it was 2 weeks after I bought it and I was still learning how to launch it. If you know more about DSM's than me, that's cool, I'm just not that interested in arguing, that's why my first response was a smart ass one.

Thank you wraith for saying that.

Edit: Also I bought my first DSM in 1998, and I am not new to DSM's. I posted your comments on DSMTalk and they thought you were a joke. http://www.dsmtalk.com/forums/showth...=130188&page=2 Go call them newbies if you feel like it.

[river]

Originally Posted by Sinisfun

Edit: Also I bought my first DSM in 1998, and I am not new to DSM's. I posted your comments on DSMTalk and they thought you were a joke. http://www.dsmtalk.com/forums/showth...=130188&page=2 Go call them newbies if you feel like it.

DSMtalk in itself is a joke, just as DSMtuners. sure, both of those forums have the small majority which are true tuners worthy of taking note of, and not just somebody tryin to talk up about what they think is right and wrong with DSMs. you get on a true board, like NABR or DSMlink, the guys on there HAVE to know what they are talking about and give only 100% correct information or else they get flamed or banned in a worst case. i read the BS on that forum, congrats..."all" of them seem to be TWO guys sayin im a joke. personally, if they want to say something like that, i want to see crudentials. i can prove my 11.9 with timeslips, video, the whole nine yards...i can even show you my DSMlink logs and what my whole tune looked like at the time. all that i am saying is that your whole powerband in that car is wrapped up in 2 grand worth of RPM's and then your out of luck, unless you have a fully built head that can rev up to 9k and take advantage of that turbo, which im doubting you do. sure, guys are maxing out that turbo, but not on stock cams or a stock head, or stock manifolds for that matter. im saying on a street vehicle that you want decent spool up time on, you will want a smaller turbo. a 50 trim spools about a grand before what your 60 trim does, and still has awesome top end power. with the revs that im guessing you go to you are not even taking advantage of what that turbo can do. either way, you can run a 60 trim with late spool up time, but in that case i would hope you have a built head capable of revving up to 9k. anyway, sorry for coming off wrong, i guess im too used to dealing with the same people everyday who know what i am like. i state facts and know facts.

[Sinisfun]

So what kind of turbo would you recommend, a 20G or something? The guy who initially had the turbo ran mid to high 11's I can't remember, but for all I know he had a 2.4l. I've been thinking about buying DSMLink, but I've decided due to budget to go with a stage 3 Keydriver chip. The problem with my car, not counting the turbo as you say, is my timing is getting too advanced, thus giving me high counts of knock, I believe having a chip set for the 650cc injectors will solve that problem.

[river]

Originally Posted by Sinisfun

So what kind of turbo would you recommend, a 20G or something? The guy who initially had the turbo ran mid to high 11's I can't remember, but for all I know he had a 2.4l. I've been thinking about buying DSMLink, but I've decided due to budget to go with a stage 3 Keydriver chip. The problem with my car, not counting the turbo as you say, is my timing is getting too advanced, thus giving me high counts of knock, I believe having a chip set for the 650cc injectors will solve that problem.

i wouldnt reccomend a 20g, though they are a great turbo. for the price i would suggest going with a PTE 50 trim, they are excellent turbos and are relatively cheap. dont get me too wrong, the 60 trim is an awesome turbo for track and dyno usage, but nothing much for a street car. in order to get it to spool somewhat early you would have to be using nitrous or a 2.3l or 2.4l engine. the very nice thing about DSMlink is that you can control your timing and fully monitor knock, along with everything else you could ever imagine. what kind of timing are you getting? anywhere from 18-22 degrees is perfect, anywhere above 22 degrees advance timing and your pushing the limits. though, alot of the guys with AFC's are running damn near 32 degrees of timing, now with programs like DSMlink it seems as though tuning with a logger and AFC is dark age tuning. i also think that anywhere up to 6 counts of knock is "safe", if you would call it that. anywhere below 3 counts of knock is prefferable though, anywhere below three counts of knock and you wont get timing retard either. the chip will give you a very good baseline, but your still going to have to fine tune it, of course. also, on that large of a turbo, part of the problem may be your injectors...they are pretty small for that turbo. i run 650's on my 16g and i still hit over 100% injector duty at times. i would suggest something at least in the 700cc range for that turbo. do you have any of your logs saved? if so, send me one and i will review it.

[Sinisfun]

Thanks, I'll have to put a couple on my computer.