Civic drift

[Blackmilk]

Originally Posted by 1979-300d

i guess (not all of you) you guys are just plain retarded...

you car drift a front wheel drive car without useing the handbrake

you can also understear in a real wheel drive car without stabing the brakes

it all has to do with the momentum you carry into the corner...

but durring a drift in a front wheel you have to keep your foot on the thoutle to keep it from spinning

Sweet to post it but you lose your time with them

[CRISTIAN]

Originally Posted by 1979-300d

i guess (not all of you) you guys are just plain retarded...

you car drift a front wheel drive car without useing the handbrake

you can also understear in a real wheel drive car without stabing the brakes

it all has to do with the momentum you carry into the corner...

but durring a drift in a front wheel you have to keep your foot on the thoutle to keep it from spinning

damn you write "thoutle" and are the one calling people retarded

[sil-40]

Originally Posted by 1979-300d

i guess (not all of you) you guys are just plain retarded...

you car drift a front wheel drive car without useing the handbrake

you can also understear in a real wheel drive car without stabing the brakes

it all has to do with the momentum you carry into the corner...

but durring a drift in a front wheel you have to keep your foot on the thoutle to keep it from spinning

what you are referring to in a fwd car is off the throttle oversteer. with enough momentum and cornering grip, it is very possible and actually quite easy to bring the tail of the car around but once the driver hits the gas, the car will instantly right itself and return to normal fwd. you cant fight the laws of physics..if there is no force spinning the rear tires other than the ground beneath them and they are only following the power fed wheels, then you can not lose traction while power is being given to the front wheels.

so no, fwd can not drift while on the throttle so i would just categorize that as sliding around. but as long as the driver is having fun and people enjoy seeing it, be my guest

[1979-300d]

well yes enough throutle will return the front wheel drive car back from a drift to (not normal) but understeer if you watch the "drift bible" you can see that he uses the "feint" manuver in some cases to create a drift (by useing no thoutle to begin the drift, only a quick weight transfer)... he uses the "throutle steer" technque to keep it in a drift... in a front wheel drive car you can not use throutle steer to create oversteer, only understeer can be created by throutle control... you must cary the right amount of speed into the corner to creat an enormuse amount of oversteer (more speed than necesary for a rwd car) then to keep the car from spinning, and to keep up the speed, you must use the throutle to creat an understeer withen the over steer (or four wheel drift) ... so in a four wheel drift you can not go around a tight hairpin, thuse you can not make a hair pin corner in a front wheel drive car without the handbreak, i guess we are all partiolly correct...

if you want to argue my "drift bible" quotation you should watch it first so you understand the concepts i used from it

click here to watch http://www.ircuser.org/files1/DriftBible.wmv complements of "aquito" and that persons posting

if you would like to argue my four wheel drift concept you can but i will tell you i have been there...if you have not well, yes it can happen

[Sidewaysgts]

Hey buddy, you do a power circle in your FF, and ill do one in my 86- well see who can hold it longer As you should know: A powercirlce is a continous infinite drift, as long as the driver can maintain it.


Alright kiddies- Its schooling time.

FFs beign able to drift depends mucho'ly on your definition of drifting.

If drifting is just getting your back end out and going sideways throug ha turn via any means possible- sure an FF can drift.

If drifting is based more on the techniques applied and physics behind is- Then FFs in your definition probably cant drift.

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This is the difference between ff drifting (most awd applies as well) and rwd drifting.

A FF drift only works 2 ways. One: The back tires are locked up. Two: The momentum on the back end as the car turns in forces the rear tires over their gripping ability- once this momentum stops increasing the back end will grip again. Of course this applies to dry paved roads- wet, snow, gravel, thats different.

A rwd drift does not rely on the wheels being locked up- doesnt rely only on the momentum to hold the back end out. A rwd vehicle is able to break the traction at any time, and keep it broken without locking up the tires.

FFs back tires simply can not "spin" over their traction point- they need to "slide"

[twin_turbos]

good explanation guys... can i ask is it possible for a awd car to drift, like the evo in initial d? where he floors it thru corners?

[Sidewaysgts]

Yes and no.

You can drift with AWD but it also relies on the intertia of the turn in to keep it sideways- The difference being you can actually cause an "extreme" angle unlike FF which can barely casue a slip angle by just turning in. And you dont need the hand brake to cause some big angles.

You need to stay heavy on the gas to keep the tires spinning- being awd the tires grip and regain traction VERY easily so if you let up on the gas theyll grip pretty easy again.

Another thing is you need an even higher angle to "drift" a corner compared to FR other wise youll drop the drift mid turn.

Keep in mind i am by no means an awd drift expert, so what i say comes from peopel who DO drift awd, and im trying to peice it together with a small understanding of car knowlege- so if someone knwos for sure im wrong on something i appologize in advance lol.

I hate to bring it up, but give it a try in GT3, its by no means fully accurate in physics of a car- but it CAN give you a slight understanding of what ive said.

[r34drifter]

Well all you Think you know them all. This is definitely not Fake. This was on August 29 at the Irwindale Speedway which is like 10 mins from my house. I was there. Pretty impressive that guy drifting that civic. It was awesome. Ill try to find myself in the video

[DrunknMunky]

this reminds me of a video i found on this site a while ago, it was a civic drifter on a track, twin drifting with an S14 for part of it, the thing was he was gaining ground on the s14:P anyone know where i can find that?

[Sidewaysgts]

Never seen it but id like to.

This guy in this vid is considered the ebst FF drifter, and imo its still lacking (he does great with what he does admitingly).. his lines speed and "timing" are just funny and look odd.

[D16T]

Originally Posted by StrictlyDiesel

FAKE? How do you see that being fake. It's a live event

drifting is like ice skating, with out the gay spandex

[A|pine]

so figure skating......

[mattlikespeople]

well, the guy has skills but that doesn't mean anything. he's still drifting a fwd civic. i say fwd civic because i was trick by this guy at drift atlanta. didnt look inder the hood of his integra and it was rwd. too bad he didnt get very far in the competition.

[pwforprez]

ive heard of a couple RWD integras how does that work the've got to be using a different motor like from a nissan or something correct?

[mattlikespeople]

why would it need to be a nissan motor in a honda/acura? not sure how but maybe it was all custom like engine mounts and possible s2k tranny. dont know any other FR honda. rear supsension had to be custom aswell.