VETTE VS VIPER

[01mmmz28]

^ apparetly you cannot read, I CLEALY said 2006 viper, no I have not driven an 08....yet. But your claiming all out victory for a viper that has 2 more cyl. and 95 more HP and more TQ, yet all it could do is BARELY beat the Zo6 in a FEW catagories. Why not compare the 07 viper w/ the 07 Zo6.....wait that's been done and what happened......you should know, you seem to have all the low down on the magazines. LOL. I think that a real comparison will be done when the 08 ZR1 hits the streets......but wait...BOO HOO....it will have a s/c'er on it.......but still a V8 not a V10.....LOL. You and your type crack me up, you want to claim this and that and read books yet YOU present NO proof of what you have or have not seen or done. I have, I have put up pics of the vettes I have driven, video proof of what I have driven and track video that I took in PERSON. Asking me how old I am, check my profile pal.....I have been there done that and proved wayyyy to many TOOLS wrong on here in the past when it comes to cars and performance.

[/NDA]

first of all the name calling game can be played by two tho you won't make me see you down there.

all the facts i've been stating is for the latest viper and you didn't get the sarcasm with "aaand the 2008" so i ignored the point of a 2006 Viper vs a 2007 Z06 when the point i've making since page 1 is with Z06 and the 2008 Viper.

Pony wars have almost always been like this one. I won't waste more time doing research but i think it's fair to say when the Viper came out, it put the bar up higher for the C4. Then GM replied with the C5. Dodge came back with the 2nd gen. GM brought out the C5 Z06. Dodge got their 3rd gen rolling. Then came the C6 Z06. so on and so on. each time a little better than the other, right? Now don't go all berserk on me because in the current models times Dodge has the upper hand. I may be wrong in the proper order of things but can you at least try to grasp a little of it?

as for

Originally Posted by 01mmmz28

your claiming all out victory for a viper that has 2 more cyl. and 95 more HP and more TQ

i'm not "claiming". i'm quoting 2 magazines numbers and one video with comments by professional racing drivers. i'm also stating outright victories for the first 2 Vipers gens on race tracks and endurance racing.

who is saying all out victory is the vette fans almost everytime, i just felt it was proper to remind some that it wasn't the case when both sides where backed by the manufacturers. and thats saying alot...

Originally Posted by 01mmmz28

yet all it could do is BARELY beat the Zo6 in a FEW catagories.

that's 1/4 mile, 0 to 60, top speed, braking, skid pad, track times, what? i'm asking. all the reviews points to a faster viper in all categories but a better "feeling" vette. and you admit not having tried out the 2008 (yet) so all your bashing of everything i've been writing about has very little substence.

for information purposes and i know you know, well... if 2 engines of the same displacement have a uneven amount of cylinders. in the same conditions, the one with the most cylinders will have more power. but these ones don't have the same displacement. are you gonna contradict: "there's no replacement for displacement"? the only ways a smaller displacement will get more is by highers revs and/or forced induction. no?

i never ever said the ZR1 would (in the future) loose to the Viper. i just said that the logic of the current vette price being lower could be reversed and would apply. then yes it could loose, now i said it, only by investing the price difference.

[American Psycho]

Originally Posted by BOTLFEDLT1

Have you even heard the way a viper v10 sounds in real life? It doesnt sound anything like the v10's i assume you are thinking about (i.e. bmw m5, etc). The way the engine is set up it sounds like two separate 5 cylinders engines = pretty awful.

Exactly. Sounds horrible, Very Few i seen had a note worth enjoying.

[JGT8229]

Originally Posted by Dumbo

Exactly. Sounds horrible, Very Few i seen had a note worth enjoying.

i dont thgink so, i like how they sound

[UKunt]

Originally Posted by BOTLFEDLT1

What does the number of lambo\'s vs corvettes you have seen have to do with anything? Kirk\'s point was valid: They made 215,000 c5\'s alone between 97-03 and there should be even more C6\'s, so 5 incidents is statistically pretty insignificant. When you consider they made only like 500 ford gt\'s, even 1 suspension failure (that could have had fatal consequences) is alot more significant.

If you want an example of car defects that are both serious AND happen with high probability, look no further than E46 m3: 40,000 made, 100 engine failures doe to defective connection rod failures in the 3.2 engine. I\'ll take a 5/215,000 chance of a flying roof over a 100/40,000 chance of a toasted motor anyday.

\'BMW has extended factory warranties on more than 17,000 M3 six-cylinder engines—a powerplant some owners have referred to as the “Engine of Damocles”—while it investigates the cause of a number of engine failures.

The standard four-year, 50,000-mile warranty is extended to six years and 100,000 miles on M3s, M coupes and M roadsters equipped with the 333-hp 3.2-liter engines. The extension covers vehicles with BMW designation “S54” engines built in model years 2001, 2002, and until further notice, 2003.

In a letter sent to owners in December, BMW confirmed “cases of damage to the connecting rod bearings resulting in engine failure” in the 3.2-liter engines. The company told owners it is “conducting an in-depth engineering analysis to determine the reason for the failure.”

In December, AutoWeek reported that more than 100 M3 owners had logged complaints online about potential engine problems. Some owners estimated that as many as 500 vehicles could be affected (AW, Dec. 2); BMW put the number at under 100 and said it was dealing with engine failures on a case-by-case basis. \"

i wasnt using my eyes as a guide to how many was sold.i was asking a question about the c6 zo6 also.

and it was only 5 with the problem?

we all know cars have problems when they come out.who really cares.as long as they sort it out.

[EVILZ33]

i like how they sound too

[Memphis]

Originally Posted by /NDA

please go look at the latest 5th gear review on both and tell me who owned who again?

When did 5th gear put the Viper up against a Z06?

Originally Posted by UKUNT

if it was 5 lambos with the same fault it would be well know.so should be with any other cars.

Not really I think they get a pass under the "you expect these kind of things with a supercar" lol.

[/NDA]

you're right Mem, it was the C6

but in the same way, shouldn't the Z06 be compared to the ACR?

[bmxer99]

Originally Posted by /NDA

please go look at the latest 5th gear review on both and tell me who owned who again?

just to refresh some memories, the GTS-R won a few national championships:

France in 2000, 2001;
France 1st and 2nd in 2003;
France 1st, 2nd and 3rd in 2004;
Italie 1st and 2nd in 2003;
Italie in 2004;
Swiss in 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004;
Belcar in 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004;

some others being:

24H of Le Mans 1st and 2nd in 1998 (the first American car to win at LeMans in three decades or actually the very first being 100%);
24H of Daytona in 2000;
24H of Spa in 2001, 2002;
24H of Nurburgring in 1999, 2001, 2002;
24H of Zolder in 2000, 2002, 2003, 2004;
FIA GT2 in 1997, 1998, and GT in 1999, 2001, 2002;
Euroseries GT in 2003;
ALMS in 1999, 2000;

just to name a few and then...



there was also the craptastic decision of chrysler to back off of support



to be fair, anyone knows you shouldn't really compare a forced fed witn a n/a.

lets say you do the job yourself. the ZR1 costs 100k, put in a smaller pulley, bigger exhausts then retune the chip and you'll maybe get 750 hp right? and now it's up more or less 5k.

so that's about 20k to mod the SRT10 mmmh, mmmh, mmh. twin turbos, a proper adjustable suspension, etc, etc. 800 hp minimum, 900+ if you know what you're doing. get my point?

your post of modded cars is irrelevant. this isnt a what if thread. this is a which one would you like, never said anything about modding. Stock for stock

[Memphis]

Originally Posted by /NDA

you're right Mem, it was the C6

but in the same way, shouldn't the Z06 be compared to the ACR?

Ehh I don't think so you are comparing a semi track car against a full on street car.

[bmxer99]

seems nda was wrong... whomp whomp..

and again your comparing an 07 vette to AN 08 VIPER!!! cmon at least compare the cars for the same year.. gtfo 07 vette vs 07 viper..

[/NDA]

Originally Posted by bmxer99

your post of modded cars is irrelevant. this isnt a what if thread. this is a which one would you like, never said anything about modding. Stock for stock

hey it was a direct response to :

Originally Posted by 01mmmz28

LOL.....all I have to say about the recent past and current race series cars is

C5R
C6R

viper cant even touch those and neither can the other super car competitors.

and

Originally Posted by STIvsSVT

In addition to some of the +'s for the Vette so far, I have another.

Starting from when the viper was introduced, the Vette has won more professional races and series championships than the viper.

i didnt start it, where were you then? as for:

Originally Posted by Memphis

Ehh I don't think so you are comparing a semi track car against a full on street car.

Z06 not a semi track car, cmon man, go tell that to the guy trying the exact opposite argument to sell it over the C6

Originally Posted by bmxer99

seems nda was wrong... whomp whomp..

and again your comparing an 07 vette to AN 08 VIPER!!! cmon at least compare the cars for the same year.. gtfo 07 vette vs 07 viper..

since GM is gonna be selling the same 2007 Z06 and the 2008 ZR1 side by side... there won't be a difference in performance for the 2008 Z06

[Memphis]

I was meaning the ACR is the semi track car

[/NDA]

Mem, go to a showroom floor and ask a dealer why you should buy a Z06 over a C6. if he doesn't mention the word "track" once i'll most deeply apologize. for now i'll agree to say the ACR is the official semi-track viper even if you won't let it sous-entendre that the Z06 is unofficiously the semi-track version of the C6...

[bmxer99]

my bad didnt see their posts nda, i hate how people start a new subject thats irrelevant with a thread.