VETTE VS VIPER

[01mmmz28]

^ that roof "thing happened to like 5 cars, you call that a problem? Out of how many produced??

The new Zo6 is coming S/C'ed not to compete w/ the viper, it already OWNS it as it is, it is coming s/c'ed to beat up on the TURBO super cars that are the only ones left on its menu that it has not already eaten.

And as far as the viper being N/A.......hasn't the vette been N/A as well and been beating it and keeping pace w/ only a V8 while the viper needs a V10?

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i'd say viper , corvette became the ghetto supercar , everything about it cheap so what , buick is cheaper than cadillac too lol

[01mmmz28]

cheap?? How are products like carbon fiber, magnesium(sp?), titanium, and kevlar cheap? They are new light weight space age materials being used to help biotch slap the competition....which is working very well.

you want to talk cheap and ghetto, try exiting the viper w/ out long pants on, you will burn your legs all to hell on that side exit exhaust w/ no heat sheilding....now that is cheap and ghetto. If I pay 90+ K for a supposed super car, I better not get my friggin leg charred to a crisp getting out of the damn thing. It even comes w. "exessive heat" warning stickers on the door sills....LOL....and not to mention that if you drive it longer than a few miles the damn interior gets hot as hell too, from the heat coming off the tranny....way to go dodge let's make our customers get burned and sweat like pigs......rocket science engineering at it's best right there.

[mattlikespeople]

wait, since when was this thread about the ford gt?

I;ve always had a soft spot for the viper and it's never been about how they perform compared to a vette. Hearing those smooth v10's howl away while passing me at Petit LeMans is just awesome and IMHO they've always looked better than the vette excluding those first few years of production with the white or yellow wheel options adn similarly hideous color options as well
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like the viper but certainly not bashing the vette. I'd love either

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Originally Posted by 01mmmz28

cheap?? How are products like carbon fiber, magnesium(sp?), titanium, and kevlar cheap? They are new light weight space age materials being used to help biotch slap the competition....which is working very well.

you want to talk cheap and ghetto, try exiting the viper w/ out long pants on, you will burn your legs all to hell on that side exit exhaust w/ no heat sheilding....now that is cheap and ghetto. If I pay 90+ K for a supposed super car, I better not get my friggin leg charred to a crisp getting out of the damn thing. It even comes w. "exessive heat" warning stickers on the door sills....LOL....and not to mention that if you drive it longer than a few miles the damn interior gets hot as hell too, from the heat coming off the tranny....way to go dodge let's make our customers get burned and sweat like pigs......rocket science engineering at it's best right there.

now thats funny , but i meant the first defend u guys for the corvetter is thats it the cheapest supercar , less than half the price comparing with other cars

[UKunt]

Originally Posted by 01mmmz28

^ that roof \\\\\\\"thing happened to like 5 cars, you call that a problem? Out of how many produced??

The new Zo6 is coming S/C\\\\\\\'ed not to compete w/ the viper, it already OWNS it as it is, it is coming s/c\\\\\\\'ed to beat up on the TURBO super cars that are the only ones left on its menu that it has not already eaten.

And as far as the viper being N/A.......hasn\\\\\\\'t the vette been N/A as well and been beating it and keeping pace w/ only a V8 while the viper needs a V10?

5 is more then anuff. if it was 5 lambos with the same fault it would be well know.so should be with any other cars.

vette is using FI to try and beat the viper and other cars.just like ford does.maybe ford fails.but vette has gone down the same route as ford ,to try and beat the others with FI.

BUT WHO CARES HOW IT MAKES ITS POWER.AS LONG AS IT MAKES SOME..

to me the 2 top dogs are NA still.enzo and CGT.im sure ferrari will be bringing something new out in the next few years.when new cars have beaten or matched there old formats..

maybe they wil bring the ferrari fxx evo out as a road car.i cant see much touching that.860bhp N/A v12 MMMMM.

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Originally Posted by 01mmmz28

it already OWNS it as it is

please go look at the latest 5th gear review on both and tell me who owned who again?

just to refresh some memories, the GTS-R won a few national championships:

France in 2000, 2001;
France 1st and 2nd in 2003;
France 1st, 2nd and 3rd in 2004;
Italie 1st and 2nd in 2003;
Italie in 2004;
Swiss in 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004;
Belcar in 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004;

some others being:

24H of Le Mans 1st and 2nd in 1998 (the first American car to win at LeMans in three decades or actually the very first being 100%);
24H of Daytona in 2000;
24H of Spa in 2001, 2002;
24H of Nurburgring in 1999, 2001, 2002;
24H of Zolder in 2000, 2002, 2003, 2004;
FIA GT2 in 1997, 1998, and GT in 1999, 2001, 2002;
Euroseries GT in 2003;
ALMS in 1999, 2000;

just to name a few and then...

the Vipers were basically banned from winning by rule changes as soon as they slaughtered the rest of the field. That was suspiciously coincidental with GM's renewed focu$ on ALMS.

there was also the craptastic decision of chrysler to back off of support

There was only one Viper at the ALMS race at the 2005 Road America and several vettes that were factory backed.

Oh and don't mention SCCA and ALMS in the same breath, the owner/driver of our car took second place in the car raced in SCCA and ALMS and they took a piece of white duct tape and put it over his SCCA patch of his driving suit while standing on the podium before pictures were taken.

to be fair, anyone knows you shouldn't really compare a forced fed witn a n/a.

lets say you do the job yourself. the ZR1 costs 100k, put in a smaller pulley, bigger exhausts then retune the chip and you'll maybe get 750 hp right? and now it's up more or less 5k.

so that's about 20k to mod the SRT10 mmmh, mmmh, mmh. twin turbos, a proper adjustable suspension, etc, etc. 800 hp minimum, 900+ if you know what you're doing. get my point?

[01mmmz28]

^ you sir, have no clue what you are talking about. You take one t.v. shows opinons and their lack of driving skills as the end all be all....LOL.....I have heard of magazine racing before, but you take the cake w/ "one show tv racing"

UKunt: How many lambos are produced compared to the C6ZO6's??? One is a hand built, built to order car.....the other is coming off an assembly line w/ a hand built motor. Bein that only a handfull of owners reported a problem w/ the roof is a fraction of the cars sold. Yourt comparison was poor at best. You made mention that you saw a vid of that person and the roof problem.....you don't recall what it took to get that roof to break loose....kicking it and pulling and smashing it for 5 min.

[UKunt]

Originally Posted by 01mmmz28

^ you sir, have no clue what you are talking about. You take one t.v. shows opinons and their lack of driving skills as the end all be all....LOL.....I have heard of magazine racing before, but you take the cake w/ \"one show tv racing\"

UKunt: How many lambos are produced compared to the C6ZO6\'s??? One is a hand built, built to order car.....the other is coming off an assembly line w/ a hand built motor. Bein that only a handfull of owners reported a problem w/ the roof is a fraction of the cars sold. Yourt comparison was poor at best. You made mention that you saw a vid of that person and the roof problem.....you don\'t recall what it took to get that roof to break loose....kicking it and pulling and smashing it for 5 min.

indeed the other half took awhille to come off.but one half was loose.thats why they was trying to kick the other side off.

who cares anyway GM sucks and ford does also.





lmao i probly make GM nuggers cry with that stantment^.but hey.suport a football team or somthing. not a car company for gods sake.

[UKunt]

Originally Posted by 01mmmz28

^ you sir, have no clue what you are talking about. You take one t.v. shows opinons and their lack of driving skills as the end all be all....LOL.....I have heard of magazine racing before, but you take the cake w/ \"one show tv racing\"

UKunt: How many lambos are produced compared to the C6ZO6\'s??? One is a hand built, built to order car.....the other is coming off an assembly line w/ a hand built motor. Bein that only a handfull of owners reported a problem w/ the roof is a fraction of the cars sold. Yourt comparison was poor at best. You made mention that you saw a vid of that person and the roof problem.....you don\'t recall what it took to get that roof to break loose....kicking it and pulling and smashing it for 5 min.

i have no idea how many zo6 are sold. ive seen more lambos then i have zo6s tho.thats for sure.
indeed the other half took awhille to come off.but one half was loose.thats why they was trying to kick the other side off.

who cares anyway GM sucks and ford does also.





lmao i probly make GM nuggers cry with that stantment^.but hey.suport a football team or somthing. not a car company for gods sake.

[vette12]

a.) I don't understand why Ukunt keeps jumping in these arguments. It seems he doesn't know alot about cars in general let alone U.S. brands.

b.) Why do people still insist that the viper is better than the corvette. time and time again these disputes have arisen and time and time again it seems someone like BOTLFEDLT1 or 01mmmz28 or Memphis, among others list the key elements that actually matter to make a car better than another. BUT then someone else brings up some minor detail that wouldn't otherwise matter, but they blow it out of proportion, and using that as their rebuttle against the vette. i.e. "this other car won a famous race, so its better." "this car is made of gold and not cheap plastic".. . or "this car has 50 more hp and 2 more cylinders etc. etc. etc." Why don't you gather ALL your positive information First and then present it, and I might believe you.

c.) which leads me to my last point. At one point in time I was neither a vette or viper fan, (a long time ago), but I too compared the positives and negatives and found which car actually IS the better of the two... Vette> Viper.

and in conclusion, the viper started out as an oversized go-kart fitted with an oversized engine, made from leftovers by Dodge. No attention was paid to refinement, performance, handling in many respects. Basically they put big breasts on an HIV infected Hooker and gave her a new dress. Beautiful on the outside, horrible when you get down to it. And the new Viper didn't learn from its predecessor, instead it upgraded the goods again, made it prettier and left the guts of it alone.

Corvette, however has also had its bad days for example, the late C3s, and mostly the entire C4 generation, god knows what they were thinking there. (even tho I love my '87.) but they moved on to the C5 and from thence the C6 and finally the Z. They're only moving up. They went from another cheesy american sports car to something that is gaining more respect in Europe than any other american sports car, and not only that but competing with the best of the exotics. Until Dodge steps up and makes a car that can do that, corvette will remain on top...

well that was fun. Later fellas i'm goin to go drink my ****ing face off! I-L-L.. I-N-I!

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Originally Posted by 01mmmz28

You take one t.v. shows opinons and their experienced racing skills

there, better. i just didnt want to have to repeat myself but since you don't seem to read it all in the first few pages, here's 2 other facts and 1 opinion, again:

Originally Posted by insideline

in the limitless world of instrumented testing, the Viper bettered the Corvette at every opportunity. Its 11.8-second quarter-mile time and 3.7-second 0-60-mph sprint are just plain ridiculous. And its 125 mph trap speed is the fastest we've ever recorded for any car in the quarter-mile.

Originally Posted by caranddriver

Stick with the Viper, and you can fly from 0 to 60 mph in 3.5 seconds. It’s a 10th or two quicker than the Z06 all the way to 100 mph, but by 150, the Viper has a half-second lead. It’s also more than two seconds quicker to 150 than was the previous Viper. Vette and Viper are pretty much even (and impressive) in roadholding, lane change, and braking distance, but the Viper wins on the track. It’s easier to drive around the road course as well, thanks to great feel from the quick steering and solid brake pedal. The Viper is more benign than you would think.

Originally Posted by motortrend

The Viper is still a demanding and somewhat intimidating car to drive hard. Do something wrong -- attack a corner too aggressively or dial in too much correction at speed -- and the laws of physics can mete out some serious punishment. But that's why they called it Viper, not Koala, and why we referred to it as a Weapon right at the top: a gigantic mortar round that's landed squarely in the Corvette camp, apparently wounding the Z06.

now shush before you embarass yourself even further

[BOTLFEDLT1]

Originally Posted by UKunt

i have no idea how many zo6 are sold. ive seen more lambos then i have zo6s tho.thats for sure.

What does the number of lambo's vs corvettes you have seen have to do with anything? Kirk's point was valid: They made 215,000 c5's alone between 97-03 and there should be even more C6's, so 5 incidents is statistically pretty insignificant. When you consider they made only like 500 ford gt's, even 1 suspension failure (that could have had fatal consequences) is alot more significant.

If you want an example of car defects that are both serious AND happen with high probability, look no further than E46 m3: 40,000 made, 100 engine failures doe to defective connection rod failures in the 3.2 engine. I'll take a 5/215,000 chance of a flying roof over a 100/40,000 chance of a toasted motor anyday.

'BMW has extended factory warranties on more than 17,000 M3 six-cylinder engines—a powerplant some owners have referred to as the “Engine of Damocles”—while it investigates the cause of a number of engine failures.

The standard four-year, 50,000-mile warranty is extended to six years and 100,000 miles on M3s, M coupes and M roadsters equipped with the 333-hp 3.2-liter engines. The extension covers vehicles with BMW designation “S54” engines built in model years 2001, 2002, and until further notice, 2003.

In a letter sent to owners in December, BMW confirmed “cases of damage to the connecting rod bearings resulting in engine failure” in the 3.2-liter engines. The company told owners it is “conducting an in-depth engineering analysis to determine the reason for the failure.”

In December, AutoWeek reported that more than 100 M3 owners had logged complaints online about potential engine problems. Some owners estimated that as many as 500 vehicles could be affected (AW, Dec. 2); BMW put the number at under 100 and said it was dealing with engine failures on a case-by-case basis. "

[01mmmz28]

Me....embassased...lmao.....

Someone please pull up the real FACTS. the video that was posted here of someone w/ REAL DRIVING SKILLS that ran a BONESTOCK c6zo6 to a 10.8 in the 1/4 mile......viper can't even come close pal.

Hence my earlier post, you sir ARE A MAGAZINE RACER. ONE OF THE BIGGEST tool bags of car talk there is. Untill you see what they can do in real life, 1st hand, up close, in person.....then STFU. magazine racing FTMFL. I have seen all three cars that were mentioned here in action, I HAVE DRIVEN 2 OF THE 3, I have seen 2 of the 3 at the dragstrip, I have driven the piss out of a c6zo6 and a 2006 viper. I have not driven the Ford GT, but have seen it in action 1st hand w/ several different drivers beating it to death down the 1320. So you SHUSH, you go to the local gas station, buy another motor trend, car and driver and read till your hearts content bud, cause all that proves is that you can indeed read, but not much else.

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bonestock on slicks right? and that same awsome guy did it in a viper too? i see 1/4 mile and dragstrip but i don't read track... if i stated i saw this or that you would tell me i'm full of shit like i should do to you but i'm not that immature. so i quote you FACTS also with a video to back it off and now i'm a magazine racer, lol. so you have driven the Z06 aaand the 2008 viper, have you now? maybe it's simply you that suck and can't get a proper launch. look man, i don't know you or your skills at all but i do know mine. i don't pretend over the internet to be a better driver than plato nor needle so i do respect their point of view. if you're so good why aren't you racing professionally for a living? or are you? did you ever stop to consider it's the brand spanking new 2008 viper and you just maybe might be wrong? yes i haven't driven either so yes i do search here and there to form an educated opinion from various sources and no i don't waste money on magazines