Immigration

[UKunt]

yer i think they can come over pretty easy and get a card to work.stupid europeon law.IMO. as with all over euro countrys.loads of polish over here.the drunks lol

[EVILZ33]

we got loads of polish here too at least here in chicago, my best friend is polish hes not right off the boat tho or anything. he was born here. at least alot of those club head polish *****es are hott.

[Traction Issuez]

polish people rock. i helped a buddy to do his roof, i never drank so much and ate so well in my life, i hear it is the same for most European people, thats why i will hunt down my euro beauty and keep her for myself, until her family have a party.lol

[UKunt]

maybe polish that are there and speak english and have been there since brith.but people just coming over.i dont like,want here.but its tuff on me as they keep coming over

[mattlikespeople]

Originally Posted by Traction Issuez

polish people rock.

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on-topic: if someone can get a legit figure on the amount of illegal immigrants that pay taxes then I will stop being pissed off...otherwise, those leeching motherf*ckers should be booted (as soon as they finish painting my house)

[Traction Issuez]

Originally Posted by mattlikespeople

otherwise, those leeching motherf*ckers should be booted (as soon as they finish painting my house)

bawhahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha to funny.

[Jonnychadootz]

Originally Posted by r34drifter

add me to the list bro, it is understandable how you feel and people in general feel about immigration when you are ignorant of the facts. I don't wanna waste my time going around gathering the facts and bringing them here to you trying to convince you because it would probably be a waste of my time when you have such a closed mind. but i dare you to open your eyes and do some research on google on illegal immigrants and taxes on a nonbiased/integral/trusted sites, it ain't hard, there's a shitload: you will find that in reality both legal and illegal immigrants pay taxes and the government has a much greater net benefit from illegal immigrants than they do from the government in any way, simple as that.

PS: do not expect a reply, i will not stress over this debate. i have done it in the past, but people aren't willing to take it b/c of ignorance, so either take or not, it makes no difference as to how ****ed up the world is.

Ummmm, this post makes no sense, 1st u say add u to that list which would imply that u agree with what i said. Then u go on to basically say that the illegals contribute to society, WTF do they contribute?? I deal with their bullshit on a daily basis. From having to drive with people that can't read a god damn street sign to going into a business asking where something is and getting "No Habla Engles" are u ****in kidding me!? Instead of being close minded I think u have blinders on. Try going to the hospital where u get the average illegals bringing their kids in for checkups. I can remember sitting with a friend of mine and his "LEGALLY" immigrated dad in the emergency room for 6 hrs while my friend's father has a crushed hand from being pinned in between a tree trunk and a truck bed. Guess what too, he had insurance.Seems to be you are taken care of better in this country these days if u are here illegally. Also if u think I give 2 shits that the government is making more money off illegals that legals u are sorely mistaken. I give a shit about the people in this country that are here legally and bust their asses everyday to better their lives for themselves and their families. Like I said before, we have enough problems in this country without people jumping borders with their hands out like we owe them something. So many points have been proven about why illegal immigration is bad, no1 has proven a god damn thing otherwise.

[97talon]

I was reading an article in the New York Times that explained a lot about illegals paying taxes. I will find the whole article later but here's what they said.

Yes, illegal immigrants pay taxes. What percantage of them that do is impossible to figure out. The reason why they aren't getting anything back is another topic entirely. They are buying fake id's and fake greencards that include fake social security numbers. When the government goes to give refunds and the like they have all these w-2 with fake numbers on them, so who should they give them to?

Edit: Found one of the articles: The New York Times > Business > Illegal Immigrants Are Bolstering Social Security With Billions

[Jonnychadootz]

In the article it says, Currently available for about $150 on street corners in just about any immigrant neighborhood in California, a typical fake ID package includes a green card and a Social Security card. It provides cover for employers, who, if asked, can plausibly assert that they believe all their workers are legal. It also means that workers must be paid by the book - with payroll tax deductions.

Give me a break here, so you are telling me that illegals are just running out to get false documentation all for the benefit of the people that live in this country? Oh I C, I stand corrected. Its to cover their asses. Also just cause u have a fake ID and SS card does not mean u pay taxes. About the only taxes they pay are sales tax which u have no choice in. Another thing, if u are trying to pay taxes being an illegal with a fake ID/SS card, all I can say is WOW. So that stupid shit is supposed to make it ok? Once again for the billionth time, come here the correct way or don't come at all.

Nothing personal to any1 unless u are here in the USA illegally.

[97talon]

You misunderstood the whole point of that. They are not doing it to pay taxes, they are doing it so they can get jobs. There are jobs out there that require the id/ss card. Once they provide those the immigrants (who the employers don't need to check on) automatically pay taxes when they are hired.

[bmxer99]

^small portion of them. what about the people who have a "business" and mow yards and paint houses n shit? you cant tell me they are paying taxes, when even their boss stumbles of the english language/

[mattlikespeople]

well isn't that a change of pace. Some are paying taxes but getting no benefits from it. hmmm. I guess those are the illegals that i dont have a problem with

[Jonnychadootz]

Originally Posted by 97talon

You misunderstood the whole point of that. They are not doing it to pay taxes, they are doing it so they can get jobs. There are jobs out there that require the id/ss card. Once they provide those the immigrants (who the employers don't need to check on) automatically pay taxes when they are hired.

I didn't misunderstand anything, I said it was to cover their asses. The article basically insinuates that the illegals are trying to do what they should and are just getting used. NO NO NO, thats what happens to the people in this country that are here legally on a daily basis. AWWWW poor illegals BOOO HOOO. I hope u don't really believe that shit u read in that article. The bottom line here is u pretty much have people invading the country and nothing is being done about it.

If u live in this country legally, have a job and pay taxes u are being ****ed by people jumping over the border. Whether u sit here and choose to believe the garbage that that article is spewing out and that the poor illegals pay their taxes and get nothing back is your option. The Times even admits the # is impossible to calculate cause they have 0 idea how many illegals are even here. If you think that the majority are paying taxes illegally u are sadly mistaken. I've worked in the trades numerous times in my life and have seen how they are ****ing up this country 1st hand. Besides the fact that most have no skills and no concept of what a standard is. I've done everything from painting, plumbing, electrical etc and every employer has had illegals working for them. The government is trying to hold employers responsible which has created the small problem of some illegals getting taxed and not receiving at return. IMO this is good, take some of the money back that they consistently take out of the economy. Also, I can pretty much guarantee that the # that are paying taxes and receiving nothing back are maybe a 1/4 of a %.

This is about the truth, not about feeling sorry for people. If I feel sorry for myself no1 gives a shit, but some1 jumping over the border raping a country of mostly hard working people is something to feel sorry for? This subject just pisses me off, people wanna sit here and defend them like they are fighting for justice or some shit. They aren't super heroes people, they are people ****ing you and laughing about it. They create more problems then they solve when they go about things the way they do.

[bmxer99]

^ rant on brotha

[01mmmz28]

here is the perfect example and the timing couldn't be better. I just got off the phone w/ my brother up in wisconsin, he is 19 yrs old and working his way through college at some pizza shop. Well, he gets off work and is driving home when some ILLEGAL mexican runs a stoplight an totaled his little ford taurus. This guy had no license, no insurance and no DAMN RIGHT TO BE HERE. Now my brother has to pay out of pocket for medical expenses, and a new car all because some dumb ass ILLEGAL mexican wanted a "better life" by making my brothers a hell of a lot worse. That dirty bastard better be glad I was not there w/ him or that mexican dude woulda been dead in the middle of the intersection, I woulda snapped his neck w/ one swift move.