1422 HP BMW E36 M3 twinturbo

[GTRJack]

Well it's nothing new, the Supra and the GTR's 6 cyl has supported over 1600+ horsepower

[Punisher]

yes... but supras and skylines are built to mod them, bimmers not...

[Haakon]

2x turbonetics T66BB turboes,autronic sm2,msd dis 4 ignition,106 octane,3900cc......

[UKunt]

Originally Posted by GTRJack

Well it's nothing new, the Supra and the GTR's 6 cyl has supported over 1600+ horsepower

both what are turbo'd stock.ive not seen many 1600+ skylines.ive seen alot of supras that power.so a bmw what started as N/A and now has that high bhp is great.

[Punisher]

Originally Posted by Haakon

106 octane,3900cc......

then, it makes more sense to me... but I must think that the turbos are blowing between 3 and 4 bars (43.5 - 58 psi) more or less, to make that power...am I right?

[BTT]

Originally Posted by Punisher

I need to see the engine mods... because I can't believe that a simply 6 cyl can support +1400 hp...

Its not a simply 6 cyl, its a BMW M-motor

Originally Posted by GTRJack

Well it's nothing new, the Supra and the GTR's 6 cyl has supported over 1600+ horsepower

What Skyline enthusiats have said is that the most powerful skyline is Japan's Veilside's R32 GTR. 1400hp from the original 2.6L and tenth fastest in the world, 8.45s @ 168.

Most powerfull supra have dynoed 1522 rwhp, but some people outside USA dont have trust in chassidynoes that are being used there. They are not accurate at all. Enginedynoes FTW...BTW selfcost for that supra: 150 000 US Dollars.

Originally Posted by Punisher

yes... but supras and skylines are built to mod them, bimmers not...

No carmakes build cars for future mods, stop dreaming!! If you buy a new car (any car) and start mod it and something happens with the motor forexample, do you think warranty will cover it? Dont think so..

Its just so that BMW make great solid motors. Its The Ultimate Driving Machine

[GTRJack]

OK BTT I must've heard the information wrong, I thought that Supra in the US was making around 1700 horsepower at the crank (not wheel).

If I remember the source right (I know about Skylines) there're few Skylines that making 1500+ horsepower at the crank with the RB30 engine. I might've been mixing up with some old information, I don't quite remember everything.

These 6 cyl high horsepower needs to be sorted out. I think there's lots of confusion and missinformation around this topic.

And it's nothing new that Bimmers I6 can make power over 1000 horsepower. They're just a bit deleyed compared to Supra and the Skylines in the tuning competition..

[BTT]

Originally Posted by GTRJack

OK BTT I must've heard the information wrong, I thought that Supra in the US was making around 1700 horsepower at the crank (not wheel).

Maybe that is what they guess from 1522rwhp. 200 hp drivetrain loss.

There are examples where BMWs with mostly the same mods shows more on chassidynos in USA.

[King Arthur]

OMFG!

Awsome!

[Punisher]

Originally Posted by BTT

Its not a simply 6 cyl, its a BMW M-motor

No carmakes build cars for future mods, stop dreaming!! If you buy a new car (any car) and start mod it and something happens with the motor forexample, do you think warranty will cover it? Dont think so..

Its just so that BMW make great solid motors. Its The Ultimate Driving Machine

No, I don't dream, just think in Japanese market, where cars cannot have more than 280 hp stock... and people wants more power, then, brands make cars with easy modding, and big aftermarket products made by the brand. Then, this is better for them.

And well, I'm a fan of BMW, but I'm realist, 6 cylinders are just 6 cylinders, no matter who was the creator. Everything is about explosion force/piston surface, more surface -> more reliable

[Haakon]

almost all turbo cars have more hp "in them" then thay have from stock...nothing special for the japanese market....

And wtf is this about 6 cylinders...skyline doesent have any more.

[Punisher]

well... of course Turbo engines have more power than the same engine N/A...(almost always)

You have 2 ways of making power:
1st: Torque, this means, adding turbo, supercharger or stroking the engine, and the correpondent feeding upgrades.
2nd: RPMs, materials that supports heat very good, good cooling system, and the same intake/feeding upgrades.


The second is the most difficult, because you must have a good torque line, and be careful with heat.

The turbo way, the turbo adds pression to the air intake, for example a turbo working at 1 bar, the final pression would be 1 bar + Natural pression (1 bar) = 2 bar
But turbos only get power between 60% and 80% of the supposed.

then, if I add to mi car (1.6 100hp) a turbo at 1 bar, the result will be around 160 and 180 hp.

Then, yes, turbo cars sometimes has more power than stock cars...


Err... I'm a lambo guy, then, I still think 6 cylinders is a low number

[RabidPony]

Punisher.. I think you missed what he said. He said they have more power "in them".. if im understanding him correctly he means by simply turning up the boost you can easily add hp and with a factory boosted car simple mods add more power than they will add to an NA car.

[Punisher]

But I rather prefer NA engines with the same power...

Just think, you have a Lamborghini Gallardo, 5.0 500hp V10...then add a Turbo, working at 2 bar... and you will have 1100-1300 hp.... can it be easier???

I said Lambo like I could say Viper SRT-10 or Corvette C6 Z06.
All do you need is a nice engine to start with...

Just see the difference, this M3 engine, is a lot more stressed than a V8-V10 big cubes engine with the same power and maybe torque...

[GTRJack]

My opinion torque is not everything, especially on the road course. I'd rather have a performance engine (like the award winning BMW V10 from the M5/M6) with smooth power band all the way up the redline with less wheel spin and easier to controll with better throttle respons on the road course from the mid speed section +. Torque is overrated in my opinion. Louds of torque is very useful if you wear slicks and put your car to a drag strip for acceleration tests, but on the streets or on a road course wearing street tires traction would become an issue and the tires would end up being dead quicker then you know.

Technology has moved forward and more virrile responsive performance engine with smaller displacement more horsepower per liter from 4, 6, 8 or 10 cylinders is more useful on the streets and road course I think then the bigger displacement pushrods. As I said I'd rather have a strong smooth performance engine from Europe or Japan that can deliver less but decent wider looonger low down flat out torque curve to the redline with more horsepower and higher revs for better top end insted of an emidiate explosive wheel spinning (on normal tires) but short torque band with no rev range for top end.

Japanese cars like the Skyline and the Supra (or the BMW) are made for high tech turbos and I doubt pushrods with higher displacement can tolerate to be as much stressed as the Japanese turbo tech engines under the same boost pressure. In another word I doubt the pushrods bigger displacement can handle equally as much boost from the 25+ psi abow with the outcome of being equally reliable.

Of course the positve with less stressed pushrods bigger displacement with lower revs can make more power with less psi for the same horsepower range as the Japanese or the Europeans but hey power is not everything. Face the fact that the technology has moved forward and more horsepower per liter smoother power band performance engine is the thing today

Anyway I'm open for new learnings so correct if I'm wrong

I think I'm the biggest bullshitters of all so don't take my word seriously