EVERYONE PLEASE READ this is fu**ing bullsh**

[97talon]

Originally Posted by bam 240sx

the main bullshit part in that whole aritcle is the quote from the cops
"If you're not into street racing, why would you need that?"

That's assuming that was actually said.

[GTIKEN]

haha, this is all assuming that any of this really happened I guess...

Lot of good points brought up though, is headracer really a lawyer?

[97talon]

Lol, do you need one?

[GTIKEN]

haha, not right now but 2 years ago when i spent christmas eve in jail it would have been nice....

[97talon]

I pretty much always need one. Stupid speed limits...

[GTIKEN]

Agreed! haha, it's frustrating that they hold a 997 turbo accountable to go the same speed as a middle aged woman in an SUV who just got her drivers license...nothing against middle age women but yeah.

[Headracer]

This is a bit late, but I've been out of town for a while... I work in the criminal division at a law firm in DC. So perhaps, not as qualified as some traffic law specialists to talk about stuff like this but I'm probably more familiar than your average joe.

The problem is that the only person who determines "probable cause" is the judge who has to deal with the evidentiary objection raised by the defense attorney in response to the prosecution's request to admit certain pieces of information into evidence as exhibits of the court. In other words, if a prosecutor gets up and argues that the fact that you were 1)in that parking lot 2)at that time of day 3)with your hood up 4)driving a certain type of car when 4)it is known that street racers tend to congregate there from previous experience, the judge is likely to admit anything discovered on the basis of that search given that the preponderance of evidence gives "probable cause" to believe you were involved in street racing. This is all assuming that someone even decides to go to court to contest the ticket in the first place. If not, whatever it is the police wrote on the ticket stands as a matter of record. What would be interesting is to see whether or not any of the people in this case actually took advantage of their day in court to try and beat the tickets.

I also did a bit of checking up on why the cars might have been impounded, and it has to do with California's absurdly tight emissions standards... Any car that has been modified with parts that are not CARB approved is deemed to be illegal to drive on the road and is therefore subject to possible removal from service until reinspected. The only thing keeping the car from being towed off to a police lot is the good will of the officer who catches you. Bit of a nasty backdoor into impounding most modified cars, but that's the way it is.

For the record, I'm not saying I agree with the way these things work out, but I've just learned to be cynical about the way the "justice" system works... Harder to be surprised/disappointed that way.

[HKSevo]

yea cali pretty much sucks for that stuff

alot of ****y cops here with ego trips that will tow cars too

[97talon]

Ego trips for towing illegal cars....

[HKSevo]

ego trips for towing any car...friend got his car towed for having 50% tint on the rear back windows, 25% else where except for the front windshield

[GTIKEN]

Thanks for the response headracer. It was insightful.

What kind of racing do you do, your icon looks like a formula dodge car or something?

[STIvsSVT]

Originally Posted by Headracer

California's absurdly tight emissions standards... Any car that has been modified with parts that are not CARB approved is deemed to be illegal to drive on the road and is therefore subject to possible removal from service until reinspected.

...and when I lived in Cali, the burden of proof was on YOU to prove your mods had the CARB number. I had to call edlebrock direct when I got smog tested and put the mechanic on the phone with the guy to give him the number.

[GTIKEN]

Where is Kent Island Sti? How do you like it compared to California? Better car laws or ?

[STIvsSVT]

Anywhere in the US is better than California for car laws. Anywhere in the US is better than California for gun laws (my other hobby) except for Washington D.C.

Maryland aint better by very much, because our politicians are wanna-be californians, but its a touch better.

Kent Island is an island between regular Maryland and Eastern Shore Maryland. Its a small pocket of republican/conservatism in the sea of welfare recipient liberal democrats that is Maryland (thanks to Baltimore, Montgomery, and Prince George's County)

There is also a saying that goes "The only thing that separates *******s from rednecks is the Chesapeake Bay Bridge" (the one leading from the Annapolis area to Kent Island), because Annapolis has alot of snooty rich folk, and Kent Island/Eastern Shore has alot of big Turbo-Diesel driving rednecks.

Its alright here, but I'd rather live in Virginia, and plan to do so in the next couple years.

[97talon]

Lol, I've been to virginia once for work and know many people who have spent time working and virginia and we all agree it sucks haha.