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Dodge Challenger SRT-8 <i>actually</i> stickers at $40,095 - Autoblog
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Yeah wait till someone swaps in a Lsx too
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I would worry about the gas guzzlar tax yet because it's charged to the 5 speed automatic.
When they offer the 6 speed manual if not all but most of that tax will be eliminated. (But then again they may charge as an option for the 6 speed, so in the end your paying the same. GM did that with the last LS1 Camaro's & GTO's) |
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^ GM did not charge anything for a T56 6 speed. My order form on my car clearly ststed " T56 Manual 6 speed, no cost option".
I think that a 40K price tag will steer people away from that car. Not to mention that is MSRP, dealerships will mark that sucker up in the 45K range. A high end model should,IMO, come in at 35K.
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Dodge did an awesome job with the marketing and rebirth of the HEMI, they got everyone saying "does it have a HEMI" like it's the cat's ass, but in reality it's nothing special, it requires 2 sparkplugs per cylinder just to burn clean enough to pass emmisions, the fuel efficiency is shit, and the power output isn't spectacular, in contrast look at GM's LSX engines, with the LS7 in the Vette it is the only car on this planet over 500HP that doesn't have a gas guzzler tax, 427ci, 500+HP, 30+MPG, and a low emission vehicle rating, you cant' argue with the numbers, GM is , ahead of Dodge and Ford in engine development, there's a reason why there are more SBC swaps than any other engine.
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I should have been a little more specific, over here in Canada the 6speed was an option on the Camaro which cancelled out the gas tax, and unfortunately the GTO was not for sale here, but visiting the US websites on pricing of the GTO, automatic was a standard option + 1200 gas tax or 6 speed manual option for $1100 and no gas tax.
I dont think the $40k price will steer people away; - In the USA, but the over MSRP tag will - In Canada it is illegal to sell over MSRP, went on Chrysler's web and priced a 6.1 L Hemi SRT8 300C, in Canada & US, and it's the same $42,600. Since our dollar is so strong (on par with US finally after 30 years) the cars have been discounted by nearly $10k CDN on this model. 300 SRT8 & Challenger should be about the same price, and $40k CDN for that car is DIRT cheap. It's only $2k more than what a Mustang GT went for in 2005 & $2k LESS than what an LS1 went over here in 2002. HOOOOORRRRRYYYYY for our dollar. Lastly the Shelby GT500 is now selling for MSRP. In 2009 / 2010 the peak of this new muscle war will take place, these cars will be going for less, and by 2012 they'll be dead just like in the early 70's. Quote:
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What you have said below is true, but misleading. The simple fact Z06 costs twice the Ford or Dodge vechiles.
Yes the 500hp Z06 does not get the gas tax, but besides its amazing motor hauls around 700lbs less than the GT500 & by Dodges premil numbers the Dodge is 1000lbs heavier & is automatic, (due to lighter/ better materials in the body which you would expect from a vechile that cost x2). The last car GM built; GTO $33,000 USD 3800LB 400HP AUTO $1200 TAX GTO $33,000 USD 3800LB 400HP STICK NO TAX Dodge $40,000 USD 500HP 4100LB AUTO $2200 TAX Dodge $40,000 USD 500HP 4100LB STICK ? (My guess $1200 we'll have to wait and see) Ford Mustang GT $27,000 USD 300HP AUTO or STICK NO TAX Ford GT500 $40,000 USD 500HP Stick only $1200 TAX As you can seen when hitting 400HP & above with 3800LB cars the gas tax starts coming in. All cars are in line, the weight of these vechiles plays the most important role in EPA. All prices of cars exclude GPS, bluetooth, upgraded stereo, or any other weird options that can not be added to all vechiles. I personally love the Dodge, and have heard about it's 2 plug per cylinder design. Before I even consider buying it am going to research it's motor or who evers car I want to purchase. But appaently in 2009 when the Camaro comes out, Dodge will have an optional 6.6 L 500+ HP motor . We'll have to wait and see what all manufacturers offer in 2009, when comparing equal vechiles to equal price. This is the fairest way to determine which one is the most powerful & efficient. Quote:
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do u have to pay this gas guzzler tax every year on the car???? or just when u buy the car??
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I'm going to have to disagree once again.
Lets forget about the $40k cars as discussed above, because I think I proven at equal price they are all around the same efficiency. Now the Z06, FORD GT and VIPER lets take a closer look. The Viper comes with a big block motor cabale of 1000RWHP STOCK Ford GT MID Engine small block capable of 1000RWHP STOCK All three cars are set up for serious performance and are unfortunately still restricted from the manufacturer. The differance between the Ford GT & Viper vs Z06 is the Z06 is based off the Corvette hence saving money in R&D while the Ford GT (no longer in production) was about resurecting their heritage, limited production and Viper has always been low production. Hence your also paying a premium for exclusivity, while the average person cannot tell a Z06 from a regular Vette. If it's worth it or not, that's up to you, but I think they are esspecially after the gloves came off all these vechiles and tuners can to show off their product. Lingenfelter Z06 vs Hennessey Venom vs Heffner Ford GT 1st- Ford GT 2nd- Viper 3rd- Z06 Average fuel economy for the cars in regular driving; Viper 20MPG Ford GT 17MPG Z06- 16 MPG I still think its fair to say EPA is not important. I'll show you the article if you want. The above tests were done by the tuners & their drivers on same day/ rules. 93 octane & no correction of times or mph. Not to mention the Ford GT was the cheapest to mod @ $43K Next Viper $103k Then Z06 $202k Lastly, I'm looking forward to seeing the ZR1 aka Blue Devil can do. It's not out yet, so we dont know if it will get hit with the tax. If it does good, good for GM. Quote:
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FGT well its a FI car to begin with so it was built to handle boost. The Z06 with its high compression its limits seem to be around 700. BTW I wonder how the hell did they spend 200k on it . Heffner ftw
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