Worlds Greastest Off roader? (top gear)

[low_civic]

Originally Posted by '88 Cherokee

Been done... was in Four Wheeler's Top Truck Challenge a couple years ago... Bright red TJ on 36's w/ a Viper 8.3L Not my thing, but it was pretty sweet - lots of fab work.

I'm with Rob (and admittedly biased)... Although I'd make mine either an XJ w/ HP44/D60, 4.7L stroker, 37's, interior cage, divorced 205... mmmm.

Or an old Scrambler with a blown V8 and 38's.

But I wouldn't complain if I walked out one morning and found a Wildcat sitting in my driveway...

i know it was done already...and i know rob loves vipers so i've been telling him to do the swap lol

[Rekless]

Wow, that thing is a piece of shit. You telling me that for 50,000, that that is the best all around off roader?? You can buy turn key Spyders over here for that much, and that would eat one of those. And for those idiots who say Range Rovers are the best all around wheelers??? Someone is smoking some serious crack. Ever been wheelin with one?? I have, and he kept a damn tow strap hooked up the whole way through. They suck. Bad. I just get so bent out of shape at pieces of shit like this. They do nothing but go throught the desert. And for that I would rather have a trophy truck anyways. Sorry my two cents. That thing is a piece of shit.


Oh yeah, Robs right, his jeep doesn't have a frame, its a uni-body. Jeez, whats up with these guys lately??

[robz95xj]

Originally Posted by Rekless

Wow, that thing is a piece of shit. You telling me that for 50,000, that that is the best all around off roader?? You can buy turn key Spyders over here for that much, and that would eat one of those. And for those idiots who say Range Rovers are the best all around wheelers??? Someone is smoking some serious crack. Ever been wheelin with one?? I have, and he kept a damn tow strap hooked up the whole way through. They suck. Bad. I just get so bent out of shape at pieces of shit like this. They do nothing but go throught the desert. And for that I would rather have a trophy truck anyways. Sorry my two cents. That thing is a piece of shit.


Oh yeah, Robs right, his jeep doesn't have a frame, its a uni-body. Jeez, whats up with these guys lately??

i agree with the poison spider bugies, get one of those, drop in a 502 BBC, a set of DynaTrac Pro Rock 60's and fox air shocks

[UKunt]

most of the ppl here like speed and not 2mph crawl over a rock. smart ppl go round them i think crawling is boring IMO and for rednecks.lol

land rover is so much better then jeep as a all round offroader.they look alot better and do better jobs then jeep.

[Rekless]

Originally Posted by burgh

most of the ppl here like speed and not 2mph crawl over a rock. smart ppl go round them i think crawling is boring IMO and for rednecks.lol

land rover is so much better then jeep as a all round offroader.they look alot better and do better jobs then jeep.

You really have no idea what you are talking about do you bro??
Its okay. First of all, I understand that this is a car racing forum, but you happen to be in the 4x4 section. Rock crawling involves speed, rollovers, flips, all sorts of seriously crazy shit. 2mph is to set up the run at the hill. And even if it is for rednecks, what?? You have something against white people who all like the same thing and go out and have fun??

Secondly, are you trying to tell me that a Range Rover (which is a yuppie piece of shit by the way) is going to be a better off roader than a Jeep Rubicon?? Which is a production Jeep. That has lockers front and rear, 6 cylinder motor, and Dana 44s front and rear, stock. I really think you should really chill, let the smoke clear and rethink your POS Range Rover buddy.

:thumb: Cheers

[low_civic]

Originally Posted by Rekless

You really have no idea what you are talking about do you bro??
Its okay. First of all, I understand that this is a car racing forum, but you happen to be in the 4x4 section. Rock crawling involves speed, rollovers, flips, all sorts of seriously crazy shit. 2mph is to set up the run at the hill. And even if it is for rednecks, what?? You have something against white people who all like the same thing and go out and have fun??

Secondly, are you trying to tell me that a Range Rover (which is a yuppie piece of shit by the way) is going to be a better off roader than a Jeep Rubicon?? Which is a production Jeep. That has lockers front and rear, 6 cylinder motor, and Dana 44s front and rear, stock. I really think you should really chill, let the smoke clear and rethink your POS Range Rover buddy.

:thumb: Cheers

just to say this is the 4x4 section...and this is a car video site not a racing forum...

and dude relax to each there own..

end of discussion

[robz95xj]

Originally Posted by Rekless

and Dana 44s front and rear, stock. : Cheers

u mean wanna-be D44's

[2002 WRX Spec B]

Why do all the threads i start end like this?

Oh and a subaru Forester XT will out Rock crawl all the Trucks you named

Bet my wrx is a better offroader i am sooo cool

[Marek]

Originally Posted by DriftingRz

i agree with rob this is for like Baja stuff, this thing couldnt get over a rock, or itd have alot of trouble.

the thing is the Bobcat would Go over that rock youre talking about, but at 100mph ...

[Marek]

Originally Posted by ROBZ95XJ

Hey we all have our likes and dislikes, my favorite off roadin is steep muddy hillclimbs that you have to beat the shit out of your rig to make it.

did you say a couple of times that you dont like mud?

its not Uni-body... its a tibular frame

[Marek]

Originally Posted by Rekless

You have something against white people who all like the same thing and go out and have fun??
:thumb: Cheers

NASCAR?

and here you go with you fokken Rubicon bullsh1t:
based on 2006 models

Make : Land rover jeep Land rover

Supercharged4dv8 Rubicon4wd L6 Se4WD v8
Standard Engine 4.2L 390 hp V8 4.0L 190 hp I6 4.4L 300 hp V8
Horsepower 390 @ 5750 RPM 190 @ 4600 RPM 300 @ 5500 RPM
Torque 410 @ 3500 RPM 235 @ 3200 RPM 315 @ 4000 RPM

Curb Weight - Automatic (lb.) 5670.3 3831.6 5425.6
Wheelbase (in.) 108.0 93.4 113.6
Length (in.) 188.5 150.2 190.9
Width (in.) 75.9 68.3 75.4
Height (in.) 71.5 71.2 74.5
Track Front (in.) 63.2 59.5 63.2
Track Rear (in.) 63.5 57.5 63.5
Ground Clearance N/A 10.0 9.5

Front Suspension wishbone beam wishbone
Rear Suspension wishbone beam beam
Tires 275/40R20 245/75R16 255/60R18

4 Wheel Drive / All Wheel Drive 4x4 wheel drive 4x4 wheel drive 4x4 wheel drive
ABS Brakes (2 or 4 Wheel) Std. N/A Std.
Limited Slip Differential or Axle Std. N/A Std.
Vehicle Stability Control System Std. N/A Std.


Ohhh ohhh didnt you say the Jeep was sitting on 44's stock? and oh yeah, the jeep doesent have JACK SH!t
on the other hand Land rover give you EVERYTHING standart...

why dont you weigh your words before bashing Burgh

and oh Yeah, MADE IN BRITAIN!

['88 Cherokee]

Originally Posted by Marek

and oh Yeah, MADE IN BRITAIN!

There's your problem

[Soup]

I don't know if anyone else noticed this, but the '50 grand' they keep mentioning is in pounds, so it would be something much higher in dollars.

['88 Cherokee]

Comments added in bold and ( )

Originally Posted by Marek

Make : Land rover jeep Land rover

Supercharged4dv8 Rubicon4wd L6 Se4WD v8
Standard Engine 4.2L 390 hp V8 4.0L 190 hp I6 4.4L 300 hp V8
Horsepower 390 @ 5750 RPM 190 @ 4600 RPM 300 @ 5500 RPM
Torque 410 @ 3500 RPM 235 @ 3200 RPM 315 @ 4000 RPM

(Considering the size/weight differences, yeah the Rovers come out on top. Now consider the actual SIZE differences and tell me which one is going to be easier to squeeze around on a trail.)

Tires 275/40R20 (street-oriented... whoopie) 245/75R16 (MT/R's.. work offroad) 255/60R18 (look! more street tread!)

4 Wheel Drive (2 speed t-case) / All Wheel Drive 4x4 wheel drive 4x4 wheel drive (plus 4:1 transfer case, 4PT, 4FT, 4LO) 4x4 wheel drive (2 speed t-case...)
ABS Brakes (2 or 4 Wheel) Std. N/A (for a reason, ABS kills you offroad - a non-ABS vehicle will stop sooner offroad because a mound of dirt/gravel/whatever the hell you're driving on will build in front of the tires and slow you down a lot faster. Ever been in the mud with ABS? HAH!) Std.
Limited Slip Differential or Axle Std. (consisting of sensors that work in conjuction with the ABS to detect wheelspin and administer the brakes to each wheel accordingly. And a single, center differential. All that does is limit wheel spin to the same axle that the wheel in spinning) N/A (wrong, pneumatic locking differentials front/rear, limited-slip rear under normal conditions) Std.
Vehicle Stability Control System Std. N/A (useless in real offroad situations) Std.


Ohhh ohhh didnt you say the Jeep was sitting on 44's stock? and oh yeah, the jeep doesent have JACK SH!t
on the other hand Land rover give you EVERYTHING standart...

The main thing here - you're comparing $60,000 and up SUVs to a Jeep which costs half of that. Yes, the Rovers are ahead in the creature-comfort and on-road prowess and performance. Jeep (especiall the Wrangler and Rubicon) people aren't in it for the on-road. It's all about off, and a Rubicon WILL out-perform a Rover in the rough, stock-for-stock. Rovers are nice, don't get me wrong... but if I'm going to spend that much money on something that I'm going to use offroad, it had damn well better come with offroad or decent all-terrain rubber, locking differentials, and more than a 2-speed transfer case. Rover = softroader, Jeep = offroader. I'd also have something that doesn't cost a fortune to repair or modify.

Both have their winning points, but the Jeep has more offroad. To me, since it's a hobby of mine, that's what brings the Jeep out ahead.

[Marek]

Originally Posted by '88 Cherokee

Comments added in bold and ( )



The main thing here - you're comparing $60,000 and up SUVs to a Jeep which costs half of that. Yes, the Rovers are ahead in the creature-comfort and on-road prowess and performance. Jeep (especiall the Wrangler and Rubicon) people aren't in it for the on-road. It's all about off, and a Rubicon WILL out-perform a Rover in the rough, stock-for-stock. Rovers are nice, don't get me wrong... but if I'm going to spend that much money on something that I'm going to use offroad, it had damn well better come with offroad or decent all-terrain rubber, locking differentials, and more than a 2-speed transfer case. Rover = softroader, Jeep = offroader. I'd also have something that doesn't cost a fortune to repair or modify.

Both have their winning points, but the Jeep has more offroad. To me, since it's a hobby of mine, that's what brings the Jeep out ahead.

hey buddy, read the thread, and watch the video again, is it a Rubicon? is it a Jeep? its fokken Bobcat its 50 000 pounds = 110 000$ and IT RAPES any jeep you can bring out, my arguments and comments and stats are based on what some dumbass said on how Jeeps are fokken great... see the bobcat will rape the jeep, on and offroad,
and i bet if you have that supercharged V8 Rover it rapes even offroad... and i dont know if you read the stats wise a$$ but BOTH rovers have higher ground clearance, and stance = more stability, you should know since youre an "offroader"

and if you would "like" to have something thats not as expensive, dont even write in a thread about a 110 000$ offroad bobcat you fool

if you would like to see more or have a better idea, try looking in the last 50 years of Land Rovers